Proof of Mathematical Induction: Explained

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The discussion revolves around the proof of a mathematical statement using induction, specifically concerning the divisibility of a product of integers by a prime number. Participants explore the formulation of the induction hypothesis, the base case, and the implications of the induction step.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on how to formulate the induction proposition and base case for the statement regarding prime divisibility.
  • Another participant points out that the initial claim does not adequately show that if a prime divides the product of k+1 integers, it must also divide at least one of those integers.
  • A different participant suggests a recursive approach to the proof, indicating that if a prime divides the product, it could either divide the first integer or the product of the remaining integers, thus applying induction.
  • One participant proposes using the second form of mathematical induction, which assumes the statement is true for all integers less than the one being proven.
  • Another participant comments on the importance of understanding the reasoning behind the induction process rather than just arriving at a solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the adequacy of the initial proof attempt and the approach to using mathematical induction. There is no consensus on the best method to prove the statement, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the formulation of the induction hypothesis and the base case.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the proof requires careful attention to the specific primes involved and the implications of the induction hypothesis. There is also a suggestion that understanding the reasoning behind the induction process is crucial for grasping the proof.

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I was told that the following can be proven by induction. Can someone explain to me how this can be done?

I also have the following fact: If p|(ab) then either p|a, p|b or both.

Let p be a prime number and let a_i, i = 1,2,3,...,n be integers. If p|(a_1)(a_2)...(a_n) then p divides at least one of the a_i.

I'm not too sure how to state the the induction proposition/statement. Perhaps P_n is the statement that if p|(a_1)(a_2)...(a_n), p is prime and the a_i are integers then p divides at least one of the a_i. But what about the base case? I guess the base case just follows from the fact which I included earlier in this post. So how would I prove that p_k is true => p_(k+1) is true.

The induction hyhpothesis would be if p|(a_1)(a_2)...(a_k) where p is prime and the a_i are integers, then p divides at least one of the a_i. Would I then write p_(k+1) is also true because:

[tex] a_1 a_2 ...a_k a_{k + 1} = a_{k + 1} \left( {a_1 a_2 ...a_k } \right)[/tex]

[tex]p|a_1 a_2 ...a_k[/tex] by hypothesis so that:

[tex] p|a_{k + 1} \left( {a_1 a_2 ...a_k } \right)[/tex]

Any help would be good.
 
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1. You have not shown that if some prime divides [itex]\Pi_{i=1}^{k+1} a_i[/itex] then it also divides some a_i from that list. What you have shown is that if some prime divides [itex]\Pi_{i=1}^{k} a_i[/itex], then it also divides [itex]\Pi_{i=1}^{k+1} a_i[/itex]. This is not what is asked for.

2. Note that it does not have to be the same prime that divides the product of the k+1 integers as that which divides the product of the k integers.
 
if p divides a_1a_2..a_k then either p divides a_1 and we are done, or p divides a_2a_3..a_k and hence by induction divides one of the a_j for j is one of 2,..,k
 
i think that using the second form of mathematical induction will work better.

you assume that the statement is true for any integral statement less than the number of the statement you are trying to prove.

and then you show that if all of those statements are true that it must follow that the statement in question is true.

kinda difficult to get a hang of at first, but in my class we used it to prove the fundamental theorem of arithmetic and so forth.
 
matt, you gave away the solution !
 
i don't think the solution is the important thing here since it is easy to write a solution invoking the magical 'by induction it follows that...', i think that the OP ought to look at what i wrote and realize that they don't understand how i magicked the 'by induction' from nowhere and that they ought to think about that. knowing the words for the answer and understanding the answer are different. of course if they simply wanted the solution for marks then more fool them.
 

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