Electric Charges Scatter Light

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of electric charges scattering light, particularly in the context of the double slit experiment. Participants explore the mechanisms behind this effect, its historical context, and its visibility to the naked eye, while also referencing specific scattering phenomena such as Thomson and Compton scattering.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the explanation for electric charges scattering light, questioning whether photons have charge or if the interaction is purely electromagnetic.
  • One participant mentions Compton scattering as a relevant example of light scattering by electrons.
  • Another participant introduces Thomson scattering as a classical treatment of low energy, long wavelength photon scattering by electrons, noting its presence in undergraduate and graduate electromagnetism texts.
  • There is a description of the process where an electromagnetic wave interacts with a charged particle, leading to the particle radiating energy in different directions.
  • One participant adds that the scattered wave results from the interference between the incoming electromagnetic wave and the re-radiated wave.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the classical descriptions of scattering phenomena, but there are multiple competing views regarding the specifics of the interactions and the implications of these scattering effects.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions reference classical models and their applicability to the phenomena described, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the visibility of the scattering effect and its historical discovery.

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Reading about the double slit experiment in Six Easy Pieces I came across something I had questions about, which is how they detect whether an electron has gone through one slit or the other:

"To our electron apparatus we add a very strong light source, placed behind the wall and between the two holes, as shown in Fig. 6-4. We know that electric charges scatter light. So when an electron passes, however it does pass, on its way to the detector, it will scatter some light to our eye, and we can see where the electron goes."

p.127

I am wondering what the explanation is for this effect (the effect being: electric charges scatter light), if it has a name, and if it means that photons have a charge or if the electron is interacting with it electromagnetically, or if something else is going on. Is this actually visible with the naked eye? If so, what does it look like? History? Anyone know who discovered this? Somehow, I've never run across mention of this effect before.

(I'm asking this effect in and of itself, not in its implications to the double slit, which Feynman covers to my satisfaction.)
 
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zoobyshoe said:
Reading about the double slit experiment in Six Easy Pieces I came across something I had questions about, which is how they detect whether an electron has gone through one slit or the other:

"To our electron apparatus we add a very strong light source, placed behind the wall and between the two holes, as shown in Fig. 6-4. We know that electric charges scatter light. So when an electron passes, however it does pass, on its way to the detector, it will scatter some light to our eye, and we can see where the electron goes."

p.127

I am wondering what the explanation is for this effect (the effect being: electric charges scatter light), if it has a name, and if it means that photons have a charge or if the electron is interacting with it electromagnetically, or if something else is going on. Is this actually visible with the naked eye? If so, what does it look like? History? Anyone know who discovered this? Somehow, I've never run across mention of this effect before.

(I'm asking this effect in and of itself, not in its implications to the double slit, which Feynman covers to my satisfaction.)

Example: Compton scattering.

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
Example: Compton scattering.

Zz.
Thanks, Zz. Google has a wealth of information now that I know the name of it.
 
The low energy, long wavelength, scattering of a photon by an electron can be treated classically. It is called "Thomson scattering", and is given in most interemediate UG or grad EM txts.
 
Yes, I was going to say (to Zoob) that it's a useful thing to have the classical picture in your head. Watch me wave my hands :

EM wave incident upon charged particle ---> charged particle accelerated by (sinusoidal) Lorentz force ---> oscillating charge radiates in all directions and decays to ground state ---> radiated energy ~ absorbed energy ---> scattering = light absorbed and re-radiated at (nearly) same frequency but different directions
 
Meir Achuz said:
The low energy, long wavelength, scattering of a photon by an electron can be treated classically. It is called "Thomson scattering", and is given in most interemediate UG or grad EM txts.
Indeed, Meir Achuz, googling "compton scattering" lead me to "Thompson Scattering" and "Rayleigh Scattering". The Thompson scattering seemed most to be describing the scattering mentioned by Feynman, and I was struck by how "classical" all of them were.
 
Gokul43201 said:
EM wave incident upon charged particle ---> charged particle accelerated by (sinusoidal) Lorentz force ---> oscillating charge radiates in all directions and decays to ground state ---> radiated energy ~ absorbed energy ---> scattering = light absorbed and re-radiated at (nearly) same frequency but different directions
A nice nutshell version, Gokul.
 
Gokul43201 said:
Yes, I was going to say (to Zoob) that it's a useful thing to have the classical picture in your head. Watch me wave my hands :

EM wave incident upon charged particle ---> charged particle accelerated by (sinusoidal) Lorentz force ---> oscillating charge radiates in all directions and decays to ground state ---> radiated energy ~ absorbed energy ---> scattering = light absorbed and re-radiated at (nearly) same frequency but different directions

I would add to the above scheme, in the last step, that the scattered wave is born from the interference between the first incoming EM wave (the no absorbed part of it) and the re-radiated wave.

Best Regards

DaTario
 

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