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The discussion revolves around resources for understanding solar and stellar models, specifically focusing on conservation laws, energy transport equations, and the limitations of models pertaining to main sequence stars. Participants seek recommendations for educational materials suitable for undergraduate physics students, as well as comparisons between stellar models and gas giant planet models.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant references Bahcall's website for links to input parameters and publications on standard solar models, expressing a need for a comprehensive overview of conservation laws and energy transport equations.
  • Another participant suggests the Carroll & Ostlie textbook as a sufficient resource for undergraduate learning, although it may not cover all requested topics.
  • Multiple links to various educational resources are shared, including lecture notes and course materials that may provide relevant information on stellar models.
  • A participant mentions finding a specific article interesting, despite feeling overwhelmed, indicating a curiosity about the hard surface of the sun.
  • There is a repeated emphasis on the need for materials that differentiate between stellar models and gas giant planet models.

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Participants generally agree on the value of the resources shared, but there is no consensus on a single best source or the completeness of the materials regarding all requested topics.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the adequacy of the resources for their specific needs, and there are indications that certain topics may not be fully covered in the suggested materials.

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On a page such as this, from Bahcall's website, you can get links to the input parameters, and the publications describing the progressive refinements to the various standard solar models.

And http://www.ap.stmarys.ca/~guenther/Level01/solar/solar_history.html will give you a thumbnail sketch of the history behind their development, with references to the key original papers.

But does anyone have a good site which describes, at a physics undergraduate university level, an overview of the conservation laws used, the energy transport equations, and the limitations wrt main sequence stars (i.e. not degenerate stars, or supernovae). If such a site also notes the key differences between stellar models and gas giant planet models, so much the better!

Many thanks, in advance.
 
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mmm are you only looking for websites? carroll&ostlie texbook is very sufficient in teaching an undergrad. ...it probably doesn't have the last thing you stated but I haven't read the planetary section.

http://departments.weber.edu/astrophysics/

carrolls own site
http://departments.weber.edu/physics/carroll/
 
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Nereid said:
On a page such as this, from Bahcall's website, you can get links to the input parameters, and the publications describing the progressive refinements to the various standard solar models.

And http://www.ap.stmarys.ca/~guenther/Level01/solar/solar_history.html will give you a thumbnail sketch of the history behind their development, with references to the key original papers.

But does anyone have a good site which describes, at a physics undergraduate university level, an overview of the conservation laws used, the energy transport equations, and the limitations wrt main sequence stars (i.e. not degenerate stars, or supernovae). If such a site also notes the key differences between stellar models and gas giant planet models, so much the better!

Many thanks, in advance.
These might not be at a high enough level, but they are a few of the best ones I have come across:
http://www.ucolick.org/~woosley/lectures_winter2004/lecture16.pdf#search='stars%20burning%20shells'

http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/~szapudi/astro110/ch22.pdf#search='stars%20burning%20shells'

http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~kbundy/ay1page/lectures/class7.pdf

http://www.astronomynotes.com/starprop/chindex.htm

http://www.astronomynotes.com/evolutn/s2.htm

http://members.nova.org/~sol/chview/chv8.htm

http://www.shef.ac.uk/physics/people/vdhillon/teaching/phy213/phy213_fusion3.html
 
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Thanks neurocomp2003 and Labguy.

Of course the best was last - the Vik Dhillon material is almost perfect :smile:
 
I saw this article today. Admittedly I am over my head here, but I found http://www.thesurfaceofthesun.com/
this stuff interesting. It deals with the hard surface of the sun.
 
Nereid said:
On a page such as this, from Bahcall's website, you can get links to the input parameters, and the publications describing the progressive refinements to the various standard solar models.

And http://www.ap.stmarys.ca/~guenther/Level01/solar/solar_history.html will give you a thumbnail sketch of the history behind their development, with references to the key original papers.

But does anyone have a good site which describes, at a physics undergraduate university level, an overview of the conservation laws used, the energy transport equations, and the limitations wrt main sequence stars (i.e. not degenerate stars, or supernovae). If such a site also notes the key differences between stellar models and gas giant planet models, so much the better!

Many thanks, in advance.


Carroll and Ostlie is a good text.
 
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