Integrating sqrt(10z - z^2) using Trigonometric Substitution

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The discussion revolves around integrating the expression \(\sqrt{10z - z^2}\) using trigonometric substitution techniques. Participants explore various substitution methods and their implications on the integration process.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss different substitutions, such as \(z = \cos \theta\) and \(z = 10 \sin^2 \theta\), and express confusion about the next steps in the integration process. Some question whether to expand expressions or use integration by parts. Others suggest alternative substitutions like \(z = 10 - t\) and explore the implications of these choices on the integral.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various approaches being considered. Some participants have provided insights into rewriting the integral in different forms, while others are questioning the correctness of certain steps. There is no explicit consensus on a single method, but multiple lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Participants are navigating through potential mistakes in their substitutions and are considering the implications of different forms of the integral. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in the integration process, particularly with trigonometric identities and substitutions.

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trying to integrate [tex]\sqrt{10z-z^2}[/tex]

i have been advised to used trig subsitution wherein i subsitute z = cos theta
however i end up at a dead end

[tex]\int \sqrt{10 \cos \theta - \cos^2 \theta} sin \theta d \theta[/tex]

i could certainly replace the sin

[tex]\int \sqrt{10 \cos \theta - \cos^2 \theta} \sqrt{1- \cos^2 \theta} d \theta[/tex]

hwat now do i expand?
or do i use parts?
 
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alternatively i can use [tex]z = 10 sin^2 \theta[/tex]

i am currenttly working o ntaht because i made a mistake... z should be cos theta

is that hter ight way to go??
[tex]\int \sqrt{100 sin^2 \theta - 100 \sin^4 \theta} (20 sin \theta cos \theta) dz[/tex]
 
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try [tex]z=10-w[/tex] substitution
 
The simplest choice is to rewrite your root expression as:
[tex]\sqrt{10z-z^{2}}=5\sqrt{1-(\frac{z-5}{5})^{2}}[/tex]
 
[tex]10z-z^2=5^2-(z-5)^2[/tex]
Try [tex]z-5=5\cos{t}[/tex]
 
what's more simple than this?

[tex]I = \int \sqrt{10z-z^2} dz[/tex]

[tex]z=10-t,~dz=-dt[/tex]

[tex]I= - \int (10-t) \sqrt{10-(10-t)} dt[/tex]

[tex]I= -10 \int t^{ \frac{1}{2}} dt + \int t^{ \frac{3}{2}} dt[/tex]

arildno, can you explain your solution?
 
GCT said:
[tex]I = \int \sqrt{10z-z^2} dz[/tex]

[tex]z=10-t,~dz=-dt[/tex]

[tex]I= - \int (10-t) \sqrt{10-(10-t)} dt[/tex]

Last line isn't correct. it should be [tex]I= - \int \sqrt{t (10-t)} dt[/tex]
 
It's the same as Yegor's, since we now make the substitution
[tex]\frac{z-5}{5}=\cos(t)[/tex]
 
I see, well with yegor's/arildno proposal, I end up with [tex]25 \int cos^{2} \theta d \theta[/tex]
 
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GCT said:
I see, well with yegor's/arildno proposal, I end up with [tex]25 \int cos^{2} \theta d \theta[/tex]

.. then just use [itex]\cos 2\theta = 2\cos^{2} \theta - 1[/itex], presumably.
 

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