Thoughts on the Matrix Sequel: A Scientific Review

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the recent release of the latest Matrix sequel, focusing on participants' reactions to the film's plot, character developments, and overall quality compared to previous installments. The conversation includes personal impressions, interpretations of the ending, and comparisons to other films.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express disappointment with the film, noting that while some questions were answered, many more were raised.
  • One participant describes the ending as a stalemate between Neo and Smith, suggesting that Neo's ability to negotiate a truce with the machines was pivotal.
  • Another participant corrects an earlier interpretation regarding the oracle's statements about decision-making, emphasizing that understanding is key to seeing past decisions.
  • There are differing opinions on the quality of the sequels, with some feeling that "Revolutions" was better than "Reloaded," while others disagree and find both sequels lacking compared to the original.
  • One participant expresses a strong positive reaction to the film, claiming it was the best they had seen all year, while acknowledging the groundbreaking nature of the first film.
  • Several participants compare the Matrix films to "Lord of the Rings," with mixed opinions on how they stack up against each other.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not agree on the quality of the sequels, with multiple competing views on their effectiveness and impact. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of the film's ending and the overall satisfaction with the narrative.

Contextual Notes

Some interpretations of the film's themes and character motivations are based on personal understanding and may not align with others' views. There are references to specific plot points that remain open to interpretation, and the discussion highlights varying levels of satisfaction with the film's explanations.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in film analysis, particularly of science fiction and sequels, as well as those who enjoy discussions about character development and thematic elements in cinema.

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Well I went and saw it, and was bitterly disappointed. Lots of questions answered, twice as many opened up. Great special effects though. Anyone else see this yet?
 
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I went to some effort to see the The Matrix, and The Matrix Reloaded. Is this the third one, out in the theaters already?
 
Ya it just came out today. It's only the 4th movie I've seen this year. I don't go to a lot of em;)
 
ok here's the ending as I saw it

WARNING! DO NOT READ ON IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW HOW THE MOVIE ENDS!

So if you've gotten this far, I'm assuming you've seen it. In the end, Neo and Smith are equal in every aspect. The "battle" is a stalemate, and could go on forever with no winner. The "truce" that neo negotiates makes the machines back off. If you recall back in the 2nd movie, during Neo's conversation with one of the council members, the councilor makes reference to the machines and man being dependent upon each other. This is all too true. Eventually Smith would have spilled over into the machine city and Destroyed the machines as well. He was a "copy" of neo, his equal. He gained some of neo when he was destroyed by him in the first movie.

The reason Smith was so surprised at the end, when Neo got back up is because he couldn't see past his own decision. Remember: the oracle said even she couldn't see past the end of someone's decision. Neo could. When Smith assimilated him, Neo became a part of him, human and all. Essentially, Neo was integrated into the mainframe, and took over the conciousness of the source, imprinting his humaness onto everything. That is why the machines backed off and Smith was destroyed. Then everything reset, and as the architect alluded to, the humans will be released.

And of course they left it wide open for a sequel.

They still didn't fully explain everything, but that explanation is probably as good as we'll get.
 
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The reason Smith was so surprised at the end, when Neo got back up is because he couldn't see past his own decision. Remember: the oracle said even she couldn't see past the end of someone's decision. Neo could.

Little correction: the oracle says no one can see past a decision that they don't understand yet. She also says that the architect can't see past any decision at all. I suppose Smith was in the same predicament as the architect-- he didn't have that intuitive understanding that humans (and the oracle) have, so he couldn't see past his decision to assimilate Neo.

When Smith assimilated him, Neo became a part of him, human and all. Essentially, Neo was integrated into the mainframe, and took over the conciousness of the source, imprinting his humaness onto everything. That is why the machines backed off and Smith was destroyed. Then everything reset, and as the architect alluded to, the humans will be released.

My impression was that Neo struck a deal with the machines: let me get rid of Smith for you, and you let the humans go. Quid pro quo. The machines stopped attacking Zion before Neo was even hooked into the Matrix in that last scene.

And of course they left it wide open for a sequel.

They still didn't fully explain everything, but that explanation is probably as good as we'll get.

I agree, there are still a lot of explanation gaps left open...

I was really disappointed by this movie too. Reloaded and Revolutions just aren't as inspired or interesting as the original, which is a shame. At least Reloaded had its moments... Revolutions just seemed like a straightforward conclusion. Nothing really new, no especially surprising twists or interesting philosophy.
 
Yea i agree with you about the conclusion. I was very dispointed with the sequels to th the original, but i did think revolutions was better than reloaded, reloaded let itself down with its over the top special effects that just seems stupid to watch. Whereas in revolutions the special effects never dominated a scene.

Still no where near as good as lord of the rings.
 
I :oved this movie, with a passion. It was easily the best I've seen all year (so far ;) ). I'm going to see it tonight, again, actually. I found it to be much better than the second, which was a bit of a let down, and almost as good as the first. The first was groundbreaking, you can't groundbreak on a groundbreaker, if see what I mean.

Still no where near as good as lord of the rings.

I wouldn't say nowhere near, but RotK will blow everyone away. :)
 

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