10th Planet resonance with Neptune

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The discussion revolves around the concept of resonance between celestial bodies, specifically focusing on the "10th Planet" and its relationship with Neptune. Participants explore the implications of orbital resonances, providing examples and clarifications regarding how these resonances function in the context of planetary orbits.

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  • One participant states that the "10th Planet" is in a resonance with Neptune, citing specific resonances for 2003 UB313 (17:5) and 2005 FY9 (11:6).
  • Another participant questions the concept of a planet resonating, seeking clarification on how resonance applies to planetary orbits.
  • A different participant clarifies that it is the orbit of the planet that resonates, not the planet itself, explaining that gravitational interactions between planets affect their orbital shapes.
  • Further elaboration is provided on how the resonance between 2003 UB313 and Neptune ensures that the former orbits the Sun five times for every seventeen orbits of Neptune, with a description of how perturbations can affect this ratio.
  • Examples of other resonances, such as Pluto's 3:2 resonance with Neptune, are mentioned to illustrate the concept, highlighting the oscillation of orbital periods without direct collisions.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the concept of resonance in planetary orbits. While some agree on the mechanics of orbital resonance, others remain uncertain about the terminology and implications, indicating that the discussion is not fully resolved.

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Some assumptions about the definitions of resonance and orbital mechanics may not be fully articulated, leading to potential misunderstandings. The discussion also reflects varying familiarity with the topic among participants.

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Readers interested in celestial mechanics, orbital dynamics, and the interactions between celestial bodies may find this discussion relevant.

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"10th Planet" resonance with Neptune

The "10th Planet" is locked in resonance with Neptune. 2003 UB313 is in a 17:5 resonance with Neptune. I've never seen a number as high as 17 be part of a resonance before . 2005 FY9 is in an 11:6 resonance with Neptune. Here's a page I made illustrating the resonances:

http://www.orbitsimulator.com/gravity/articles/newtno.html
 
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Tony, what do you mean "10th planet resonates with Neptune"? How does a planet resonate? I've never heard that. Not doubting you, but I've just never heard of it before.

~Kitty
 
Its not the planet, its the orbit he's talking about. When two planets pass near each other, they pull on each other, affecting the shape of their orbits.
 
misskitty said:
Tony, what do you mean "10th planet resonates with Neptune"? How does a planet resonate? I've never heard that. Not doubting you, but I've just never heard of it before.

~Kitty
I've updated the link in my first post. It now shows an animation of what a resonance can do.

In this case, the resonance makes sure that 2003 UB313 orbits the Sun exactly 5 times for every 17 orbits made by Neptune. If an outside pertubation speeds up 2003 UB313's orbit making the resonance 17.01 : 5, Neptune will perturb 2003 UB313 and slow it back down to 16.99 : 5. It will continue oscillating between 17.01 : 5 and 16.99 : 5 indefinately, averaging exactly 17 : 5. Resonances are only interesting if they're integers.

Pluto is locked in a 3:2 resonance with Neptune. For every 3 orbits Neptune makes around the Sun, Pluto makes 2. Not exactly 2. Sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less. But Neptune causes Pluto's period to oscillate with exactly 2 as its average over long periods of time. This ensures that they will never collide.
 
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