Calc 2 Homework: Find Series Solutions to 2 Problems

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The discussion revolves around finding series solutions for two calculus problems related to power series representations and convergence. The first problem involves determining a power series representation for the function f(x) = ln(1+x^2), while the second problem focuses on finding the radius and interval of convergence for a given series.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the method of finding a power series representation and question the validity of the original poster's approach. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between the power series and the Taylor series expansion. Some participants raise concerns about the convergence of the series at specific endpoints and the application of convergence tests.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the convergence of the series and the proper application of tests, while multiple interpretations of the problems are being explored. There is no explicit consensus yet on the correctness of the original poster's methods.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the interval of convergence and the conditions under which the series converges. There are mentions of specific values and tests that need to be considered, indicating that assumptions about convergence may need to be revisited.

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Infinite Series Calculus 2 homework problem

Hello. I need help finding the answer on two of these.

#1. Find a power series representation for [tex]f(x)=ln(1+x^2)[/tex]

I have
[tex]f'(x)=\frac{(2x)}{(1+x^2)}[/tex]
So I factor out 2x and have [tex]\frac{1}{(1+x^2)}[/tex] which is a geometric series =
[tex]\sum(-1)^{n}x^{2n}[/tex] then multiply 2x times the series
2x * [tex]\sum(-1)^{n}x^{2n}[/tex] = [tex]\sum(-1)^{n}2x^{2n+1}[/tex]

Then, [tex]\int\sum(-1)^{n}2x^{2n+1}[/tex] = [tex]\sum\frac{(-1)^{n+1}2x^{2n+2}}{2n+2}[/tex]

Did I do that right??

Ok Problem #2 Find the radius of convergence and interval of convergence of the series.
[tex]\sum\frac{(-2)^{n}(x+3)^{n}}{\sqrt{n}}[/tex]
for R I get 1/2 and I am having trouble figuring out whether the endpoints (5/2)<x<(7/2), are convergent.

Thanks!
 
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I'm not sure what you're doing:

[tex]f(x) = \sum _{n=0} ^{\infty } \frac{f^{(n)}(0)}{n!}x^n[/tex]

what you're doing looks nothing like this, so unless I made a mistake or am missing something, what you did looks wrong. Here's a quick check:

ln(1 + 1²) = ln(2) = 0.69314718055994530941723212145818 ~ 0.69

On the other hand:

[tex]\sum\frac{(-1)^{n+1}2(1)^{2n+2}}{2n+2}[/tex]

[tex]= \sum\frac{(-1)^{n+1}}{n+1}[/tex]

[tex]= -\frac{1}{1} + \frac{1}{2} - \frac{1}{3} + \frac{1}{4} < 0 < 0.69[/tex]

so that's definitely wrong.
 
Ok say I want to find the power series representation for ln(5-x)
it will be equal to [tex]ln(5)-\sum\frac{x^{n+1}}{(n+1)5^{n+1}}[/tex]
 
i think

I think what you did on the first one is correct, or at least i got the same result.
I think AKG counterexample is not valid, because the power series you gave:
[tex]f(x)=ln(1+x^2)=\sum\frac{(-1)^{n+1}2x^{2n+2}}{2n+2}[/tex]
only converges for -1<x<1 (This comes from the interval of convergence of the geometric where you started from).

Problem 2: Your endpoints are wrong. The power series converges absolutely for -7/2<x<-5/2 and you should check for x=-7/2 and x=-5/2. For one you should use leibnitz and for the other one is just a p-series.

Maybe i am saying something stupid, because i don't know a lot about math.
I hope this helps, Paul.
 
Well if you take x very close to 1, but less than 1, then your series will still be negative. On the other hand ln(1 + x²) will still be close to 0.69.
 
pbialos said:
I think what you did on the first one is correct, or at least i got the same result.
I think AKG counterexample is not valid, because the power series you gave:
[tex]f(x)=ln(1+x^2)=\sum\frac{(-1)^{n+1}2x^{2n+2}}{2n+2}[/tex]
only converges for -1<x<1 (This comes from the interval of convergence of the geometric where you started from).

Problem 2: Your endpoints are wrong. The power series converges absolutely for -7/2<x<-5/2 and you should check for x=-7/2 and x=-5/2. For one you should use leibnitz and for the other one is just a p-series.

Maybe i am saying something stupid, because i don't know a lot about math.
I hope this helps, Paul.

I found the series to be divergent at both endpoints. Is that what you got pbialos?

AKG is he right about the first one?

Thanks for the help
 
I haven't touched series in over a year, but the formula I gave you in the second post does give the McLaurian expansion (which is just the Taylor expansion). If that's what you're doing (if that's what you mean by power series) then what you're doing looks nothing like what I've seen before. Also, if pbialos is right in that the interval of convergence is (-1,1) then the modification of my counteraxmple which I gave in post 5 should hold. Plug in x=1 and you'll see that they're very unequal: the series is negative and ln(1 + x²) = ln(2) is approximately 0.69. If 1 is not a valid counterexample, then it's still pretty clear that x = 0.9999 will give ln(1 + x²) close to 0.69 (at very least, it will be positive) and the series will still be negative.
 
correction

For the second one, i got divergent when x=-7/2 and convergent for x=-5/2.
On the first one, i am not sure, maybe AKG or someone else can show us what is wrong with your procedure. I am just studying this subject myself, and i am not really sure about a lot of things.


Paul.
 
How did you get convergent for x=-5/2?
[tex]\frac{(-2)^{n}(-\frac{1}{2})^{n}}{\sqrt{n}}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{(-1)^n}{\sqrt{n}}[/tex] is a divergent p-series p<1
 
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I'm not sure what you're procedure is. What does your textbook say? Have you seen a formula like this?:

[tex]f(x) = \sum _{n=0} ^{\infty } \frac{f^{(n)}(0)}{n!}x^n[/tex]

I don't know if there are various power series expansions of functions, but the Taylor series expansion does express f(x) as a power series, and it is given by the formula above. Actually, the above is a special case where you expand about 0, since it's easiest to do so, but in general, the expansion is given by:

[tex]f(x) = \sum _{n=0} ^{\infty } \frac{f^{(n)}(a)}{n!}(x-a)^n[/tex]

Could you tell me how you're getting what you're getting, and why you're doing it. What process does your book give you? Why are you factoring out 2x? Why aren't you computing higher order derivatives, and why is there no "n!" in your summand?
 
  • #11
no

[tex]\sum\frac{(-1)^n}{\sqrt{n}}[/tex] is not a p-series, it is an alternating series. You should use the alternating series test.
 
  • #12
gokugreene said:
Then, [tex]\int\sum(-1)^{n}2x^{2n+1}[/tex] = [tex]\sum\frac{(-1)^{n+1}2x^{2n+2}}{2n+2}[/tex]

I you integrate the series term-wise correctly, you get:

[tex]\int\sum_{n=0}^\infty (-1)^{n}2x^{2n+1} = \sum_{n=0}^\infty \frac{(-1)^n 2x^{2n+2}}{2n+2} + C=\sum\frac{(-1)^n x^{2n+2}}{n+1} + C[/tex]
So your answer had the wrong sign and you had to account for the constant of integration (which you can find by plugging in x=0 for example).

You could also get it from the power series of ln(1+x) (gotten by integrating 1/(1+x)):

[tex]\ln(1+x)=\sum_{n=0}^\infty \frac{(-1)^n x^{n+1}}{n+1}[/tex]

So replacing x by x^2:

[tex]\ln(1+x^2)=\sum_{n=0}^\infty \frac{(-1)^n x^{2n+2}}{n+1}[/tex]
 
  • #13
Thanks I see my mistakes!
 

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