Output Equation: y(x)=Input+Initial Data Response

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The discussion revolves around the equation y(x) = e^(-h)*(integral *(e^h)*rdx) + ce^(-h), exploring its interpretation in terms of system response to input and initial conditions. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarification regarding the components of the equation.

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  • Some participants propose that the term e^{-h}\int{e^{h}rdx} represents the response to the input, while the term ce^{-h} corresponds to the response to initial conditions.
  • Others clarify that r(x) is the input function and c represents the initial state of the dependent variable y.
  • A participant questions the characterization of c as the initial state, suggesting that c is typically viewed as a constant.
  • Another participant explains that the integral is a definite integral, providing limits and clarifying the relationship between the variables involved.
  • There is a discussion about the definition of a definite integral, with a participant correcting a misconception regarding convergence.

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Participants generally agree on the interpretation of the equation components, but there are differing views on the nature of c and the definition of a definite integral, indicating some unresolved aspects of the discussion.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of variables and the nature of integrals, which may not be universally understood or agreed upon.

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if y(x)=e^(-h)*(integral *(e^h)*rdx) + ce^(-h)
then why can you look at that equation from this view:
total output = response to the input+response to the initial data
 
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The term [tex]e^{-h}\int{e^{h}rdx}[/tex] is the response to the input and the term [tex]ce^{-h}[/tex] is the response to the initial conditions.
 
i know, but why?
 
In the expression, [tex]r(x)[/tex] is the input and [tex]c[/tex] is the initial state. So, the integral is a function of the input and the second term is a function of the initial state.
 
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i thought c was a constant? why is that particular one the initial state?
r(x) is the input because usually x is the input, right?
 
[tex]x[/tex] is the independent variable. [tex]r(x)[/tex] is an arbitrary function of the independent variable and is the input to your system. [tex]c = y(x_0)[/tex] is the initial value of the dependent variable [tex]y[/tex]. [tex]h = a.(x - x_0)[/tex].
The integral is in reality a definite one. So:
[tex]y(x) = e^{-h}\int_{x_0}^{x}e^hr(x')dx' + c e^{-h}[/tex]
At [tex]x = x_0[/tex] [tex]e^{-h} = e^{-a.(x_0 - x_0)} = e^0 = 1[/tex] and the integral from [tex]x_0[/tex] to [tex]x_0[/tex] is zero. So,
[tex]y(x_0) = 0 + c.1 = c[/tex]
 
thank you very much! :)
 
by the way, do you mean that a "definite integral" is one that converges?
 
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by the way, do you mean that a "definite integral" is one that converges?
No, a definite integral is one that has specified limits, so its result is a number and not a function of the integration variable. As you can see, in my example, I used x' as integration variable and x as one of the limits. Relative to x', x is a constant.
 
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thanks! :)
 

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