Difference Between Discovery and Invention


by hhh79bigo
Tags: difference, discovery, invention
hhh79bigo
hhh79bigo is offline
#1
Aug12-05, 10:25 AM
P: 50
Hi, Heres a little discussion topic that I find interesting.

What is the difference between discovery and invention.

My own view is that discovery is the coming accross things that are already there and an invention is something which has been created by someone or something that utilises a discovery!!!!

I Think alot of people get mixed up when they say that Newton Invented the laws of motion. HE DIDN'T he discovered the laws of motion.

Does anyone agree here? or disagree?
Phys.Org News Partner Physics news on Phys.org
Better thermal-imaging lens from waste sulfur
Scientists observe quantum superconductor-metal transition and superconducting glass
New technique detects microscopic diabetes-related eye damage
NateTG
NateTG is offline
#2
Aug12-05, 10:36 AM
Sci Advisor
HW Helper
P: 2,538
Well, if you're a Platonist, then you believe that all the great ideas were already existant, and that the inventor just 'remembered' them. A whole lot of how one feels about the difference between discovery and invention is related to epistemology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemology).
brewnog
brewnog is offline
#3
Aug12-05, 05:03 PM
Sci Advisor
PF Gold
brewnog's Avatar
P: 2,793
Bypassing a philosophical discussion, I would broadly agree with your own view.

I suppose inventions involve manipulation (innovative or not) of observed (and not necessarily understood) phenomena in order to solve a problem, or perform a task.

If you are actually looking for an epistemological discussion, perhaps you could ask to have this moved to the relevant forum.

Finally, welcome, fellow Manchester-resident!

Claude Bile
Claude Bile is offline
#4
Aug14-05, 08:05 PM
Sci Advisor
P: 1,465

Difference Between Discovery and Invention


One must remember that formulations are man's own creation and not that of nature. It is our way of describing nature. In my view, one can invent a theory, whereas discovery more lies in the observation side of things like the discovery of planets, the discovery of wave-like effects in light, so on and so forth.

But that's just my opinion.

Claude.
hhh79bigo
hhh79bigo is offline
#5
Aug15-05, 06:51 AM
P: 50
I agree with you to a certain extent, however fromulations are only a tool in the physical universe. Yes they are man made, however, the implications of a formulae are not. Formualtions are invented yet they rely on a discovery to determine. It seems like a little bit of a parradox which is room for yet more discussion,
Claude Bile
Claude Bile is offline
#6
Aug15-05, 07:19 PM
Sci Advisor
P: 1,465
Yes, but you are assuming that the theories are a correct description of nature. Most theories are only accurate to a certain extent, over a certain range of conditions. The obvious example would be Newton's laws of motion failing at speeds close to the speed of light.

Whatever implications a formula has are inherently artificial, it is the merit of the theory that determines how well those implications match up with our observations. For example, Newton's laws of motion imply one can accelerate to an arbitrary speed, yet we know this is not the case in our universe.

Claude.
hhh79bigo
hhh79bigo is offline
#7
Aug16-05, 09:42 AM
P: 50
Quote Quote by Claude Bile
For example, Newton's laws of motion imply one can accelerate to an arbitrary speed, yet we know this is not the case in our universe.

Claude.

Yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Claude Bile
Claude Bile is offline
#8
Aug17-05, 07:34 PM
Sci Advisor
P: 1,465
Newton's laws are built on a single hypothesis, the conservation of momentum. If we assume momentum is always conserved, one can derive Newton's laws.

Newton simply re-expressed conservation of momentum, ergo he invented the laws of motion. Conservation of momentum of the other hand is an observation not a theory, no one invented the conservation of momentum, we simply observe it to be so.

Maybe that is a clearer example.

Claude.
DaTario
DaTario is offline
#9
Aug21-05, 10:50 AM
P: 555
I think that, rigorously speaking, even the most artistical and/or bizarre model of mousetrap fits in the status of discovery, not invention.

Music and its emotional consequences, discoveries, not inventions.

even a pray can be put as invention. Ultimately it is a discovered way to put in words sequences of meanings which express our pain, happiness or anything else.

Perhaps, conscience may be an invention, our pulse of existence.

Best Regards

DaTario


Register to reply

Related Discussions
difference between phase difference and path difference General Physics 5
My invention General Discussion 11
A rather moo-seful invention General Discussion 19
automatic voice activated loo seat opener/closer and flusher General Discussion 15
Help with an invention General Engineering 7