What Are Gravitons and Their Role in the Origin of Time and Space?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of gravitons and their proposed role in the origin of time and space. Participants explore theoretical ideas regarding the nature of the universe at its inception, including the dimensionality of space and time, and the behavior of hypothetical particles called gravitons.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a scenario where the universe began as an endless void with no time or coordinates, suggesting that time was the first dimension to emerge.
  • The same participant proposes that "gravitons" are parcels of space that move freely in this void, lacking mass and charge, and that their velocity is C^2.
  • It is suggested that from the behavior of gravitons, electric charges could form, which would then be carried by gravitons, leading to the emergence of photons as charged gravitons.
  • Another participant questions the initial conditions and suggests that the speed of particles in the beginning might have been C^2, proposing that the speed limit observed today would have been perceived differently in the early universe.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of gravitons and the initial conditions of the universe. There is no consensus on the validity of the proposed models or the implications of these ideas.

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Some claims rely on specific interpretations of physical concepts, such as the nature of velocity and dimensions in the early universe, which may not be universally accepted or defined.

Clement McCulloch
[SOLVED] Theory of Gravitons

I have tried to picture the beginning.

At first there was only an endless void with no bounds. There were no
coordinates in this void, no time.

Then the void started to quiver. The quivers were in every direction but there were no coordinates for direction or distance. The quivers were quivers in time. Time was the first dimension.

The quivers grew until they were parcels of space moving in the void. They moved in every direction. They did not interact but moved freely through each other. We will call them gravitons. They would have no mass, no charge. At this stage there would be three dimensions of space and one of time. The velocity of the gravitons would be C^2 .

From the velocity of the gravitons at some locations electric charges would be formed. They would be taken up and carried by the gravitons. The charges have weight, or mass. A graviton carrying a charge is a photon. The weight of the charge slows the velocity of the gravitons from C^2 to that of a photon, V = C. The weight of the charge carried is always the same, defining a single velocity for photons. The length of the graviton carrying the charge varies, defining the wavelength and frequency of the photon. The energy of a photon varies as the wavelength and the frequency, or as the frequency that a discharge can be released by a photon. At that stage there would be four dimensions, three of space and one of time. The dimensions of space and of time would be different from those with the gravitons because the velocity and therefore the time would be different for photons.


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Originally posted by Clement McCulloch
I have tried to picture the beginning.

At first there was only an endless void with no bounds. There were no
coordinates in this void, no time.

Then the void started to quiver. The quivers were in every direction but there were no coordinates for direction or distance. The quivers were quivers in time. Time was the first dimension.

The quivers grew until they were parcels of space moving in the void. They moved in every direction. They did not interact but moved freely through each other. We will call them gravitons. They would have no mass, no charge. At this stage there would be three dimensions of space and one of time. The velocity of the gravitons would be C^2 (you would, in your theory, want to wright 2c
so that E = mv^2/2 = mc^2.)

From the velocity of the gravitons at some locations electric charges would be formed. They would be taken up and carried by the gravitons. The charges have weight, or mass. A graviton carrying a charge is a photon. The weight of the charge slows the velocity of the gravitons from C^2 to that of a photon, V = C. The weight of the charge carried is always the same, defining a single velocity for photons. The length of the graviton carrying the charge varies, defining the wavelength and frequency of the photon. The energy of a photon varies as the wavelength and the frequency, or as the frequency that (in) a discharge can be released by a photon (remember, photones are discharges and the e(lectro)m(agnetic) field's frequency times h is the energy of the photone). At that stage there would be four dimensions, three of space and one of time. The dimensions of space and of time would be different from those with the gravitons because the velocity and therefore the time would be different for photons.


... Please read the PDF for the rest ...

-Clement McCulloch-

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i think that speed in the beginning was neverending, and not a certain constant. Ofcourse, seen from a referencesystem back then the speedlimit would've been the same as the one we observe that we have now cause passing in the referencesystem would have been also been faster then. The speed of particles in the beginning might very well have been c^2. As we observe it anyway. In the galaxie's atmosphere
 

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