Ray of light travels from an optically denser medium

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of light as it transitions from an optically denser medium to a rarer one, particularly focusing on the concept of the critical angle and the principle of reversibility of light. Participants explore theoretical implications, the nature of evanescent waves, and the application of Snell's law in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that when light travels from a denser to a rarer medium at the critical angle, the refracted ray grazes the interface, raising questions about the reversibility of light.
  • One participant questions whether Snell's law depends on direction, prompting further exploration of the principles involved.
  • There is a claim that the principle of reversibility applies, but concerns are raised regarding the formation of an evanescent wave with ordinary light sources.
  • Another participant elaborates that evanescent waves are not space-propagating, complicating the ability to direct a plane wave at the interface from the rarer medium.
  • A participant challenges the application of Snell's law, providing a specific example involving refractive indices and the critical angle calculation.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that the critical angle does not imply that a vertical beam will exit at the critical angle, emphasizing the distinction between the angles of incidence and refraction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the reversibility of light and the implications of Snell's law in this scenario. There is no consensus on the nature of evanescent waves or the correct interpretation of critical angles when light transitions between media.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings of the critical angle concept, the nature of evanescent waves, and the assumptions underlying Snell's law. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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When a ray of light travels from an optically denser medium to a rarer one such that the angle of incidence equals the critical angle, then the refracted ray grazes the interface.

Now, will the principle of reversibility of light work in this case? If yes, please explain.
 
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Does Snell's law depend on direction?
 
Yes, it is reversible.

But the corresponding evansecent wave is somthing that you cannot form
with an ordinary source of light. If you could, you could launch a planewave
into the denser medium at the critical angle.
 
Antiphon said:
Yes, it is reversible.

But the corresponding evansecent wave is somthing that you cannot form
with an ordinary source of light.
why is that?
 
loop quantum gravity said:
why is that?

The evanescent wave is not space-propagating. So there is no way to
form a planewave of (space-propagating) light which could be directed at the interface from
the low-index side and result in the right surface fields needed to launch
the planewave at the critical angle into the dense medium.
 
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but surely it doenst correspond with snell's law.

if we have n1=1 and n2=1.33
then the critical angle from a light medium (n1) to a denser medium (n2) is
a_cr=arcsin(n2/n1)=arcsin(1.33) and needless to remind you the limits of sin function.
 
But you are not "running it in reverse". As light goes from a lighter medium to a heavier (higher speed of light in the medium to lower), the "critical angle" is the incoming angle at which the outgoing angle is 90 degrees. That does not mean that, going the other way, a vertical beam will leave at the "critical angle". A vertical beam will leave vertically.
 

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