Limits using basic analysis theorems and logic?

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating the limit of the expression \(\sqrt{n^2+2n}-n\) as \(n\) approaches infinity, specifically showing that it converges to 1. The subject area is calculus, focusing on limits and analysis theorems.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants suggest various methods to manipulate the expression, including using conjugates, rewriting the expression in terms of a triangle's sides, and employing Taylor expansion. Some express surprise at the complexity of certain approaches.

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Several participants have provided insights and alternative methods for approaching the limit, indicating a productive exploration of the problem. However, there is no explicit consensus on a single method or solution.

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Some participants reference examples from textbooks, suggesting that there may be established methods for handling similar limits. There is also mention of potential mistakes in reasoning, highlighting the ongoing questioning of assumptions and interpretations.

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Hi,

I need help again. How can I show that

[tex]\sqrt{n^2+2n}-n \rightarrow 1[/tex]​

for [tex]n\rightarrow\infty[/tex] using basic analysis theorems and logic? Any ideas?
 
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I bet if you checked your book, you'd find an example of a clever way of dealing with limits involving differences like these...
 
try doing something to it that involves its conjugate...
 
Rewrite [tex]\sqrt{n^2+2n}-n[/tex] as


[tex][\sqrt{(n+1)^2 - 1^2} -(n+1)] + 1[/tex]

Thus you need to show that

[tex]\sqrt{(n+1)^2 - 1^2} -(n+1) \rightarrow 0[/tex]

as n to infinity. But if you look at the way it is written, you will see that it looks suspiciously like the difference between the length of two sides of a right triangle as one of the points on the triangle goes to infinity.

Carl
 
Thanks guys. Hurkyl was right; there actually was an example dealing with this in the back of the book. I can't believe I missed it.
 
What is the solution?
 
We want to show that [tex]\sqrt{n^2+2n} - (n+1) \rightarrow 0[/tex], so we rewrite the expression:


[tex]\sqrt{n^2+2n} - (n+1) = \frac{\left(\sqrt{n^2+2n} - (n+1)\right)\left(\sqrt{n^2+2n} + (n+1)\right)}{\sqrt{n^2+2n} + (n+1)} = \frac{-1}{\sqrt{n^2+2n} + (n+1)}[/tex]


It is obvious that the final expression tends to 0 as [tex]n\rightarrow\infty[/tex].
 
I solved it thus:

(n^2 + 2n)^1/2 = (n^2)^1/2 * (1+2/n)^1/2


therefore this = n(1+2/n)^1/2

now expand the bracket using taylor's theorem to get

(1+2/n)^1/2= 1+(1/n)-(1/n^2)+...


therefore multiplying by n in the above you have n+1-(1/n) as n tends to infinity the (1/n) becomes irrelevant and we are left with n+1. Just subtract the n from the original expression and you obtain the desired result, 1.

Take care, Joe
 
Gosh, that looks complicated!

I would have thought using gDogg's suggestion and writing
[tex]\sqrt{n^2+2n}-n= \frac{(\sqrt{n^2+2n}-n)(\sqrt{n^2+2n}+n)}{\sqrt{n^2+2n}+n}[/tex]
[tex]= \frac{2n}{\sqrt{n^2+ 2n}+n}[/tex]

would be much simpler.
 
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Yes... he could have used the binomial theorem!

[tex] (n^2 + 2n)^{1/2} = (n^2)^{1/2} + \frac{1/2}{1} (n^2)^{-1/2} (2n) + \frac{(1/2) * (-1/2)}{1 * 2} (n^2)^{-3/2} (2n)^2 + \cdots<br /> = n + 1 + O\left(\frac{1}{n}\right)[/tex]

(since n² > 2n when n grows large)
(Hrm, did he make a mistake in the third term, or did I?)
 
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