What is the rope's parametric equation?

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The discussion centers around finding the parametric equation for a rope wrapped around an ellipse at a constant distance, h, from the ellipse. Participants explore the geometric and mathematical implications of this scenario, including the nature of the rope's shape and the necessary calculations to derive its equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the rope is at a distance h from the ellipse and questions the parametric equation for this rope.
  • Another participant suggests that if the rope has no thickness, its equation would be the same as that of the ellipse.
  • A participant questions the equation of the ellipse, suggesting a possible form but lacks clarity.
  • One participant outlines a method to derive the rope's parametric equation by using the parametric representation of the ellipse and finding the perpendicular lines at points on the ellipse.
  • Another participant expresses difficulty in finding the normal line to the parametric equation of the ellipse.
  • A later reply provides a suggestion on how to find the slope of the tangent and the corresponding perpendicular slope for the ellipse's parametric representation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature of the rope's equation, with some suggesting it is the same as the ellipse's equation while others propose methods to derive a different equation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of the rope's parametric equation.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the implications of the rope's thickness and the mathematical steps required to derive the parametric equation. There are also unresolved questions regarding the correct form of the ellipse's equation.

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suppose u have an ellipse and u put a rope around it and at distance h from the original ellipse. Any point from the ellipse to the rope wrap around the ellipse is = to distance h. what is the rope's parametric equation? What shape is this rope in?
 
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I don't understand your question. Unless the rope has non-zero thickness, the equation of the rope is the same as the equation for the elipse.
 
ellipse?

x^2/r + y^2/h = 0? or something like that?
 
If I understand you correctly, you are saying you have an ellipse, you have a loop of rope around the ellipse, and each point on the rope is a distance h from the ellipse. Correct?

Let P be a point, γ be a curve (such as an ellipse), and let Q be the point on γ closest to P.

By definition, the distance from P to γ is the length of the line segment PQ. You may recall that a necessary condition is that PQ be perpendicular to the tangent line to γ at Q.

This tells you everything you need to solve the problem!

Start with a parametric representation of your ellipse. Say (u(t), v(t)). Then, for each t you find the equation for the tangent line to the ellipse at (u(t), v(t)), then you find the equation for the line perpendicular to the tangent line at (u(t), v(t)), then you find the point on the perpendicular that is a distance h from (u(t), v(t)).

This answer will then be a parametric equation for the curve you seek.

(note: there will be two solutions; one for the rope inside the ellipse and one for the rope outside the ellipse)
 
am having trouble finding the normal/perpendicular line to parametric equation acost,bsint
 
If you can find the slope of the tangent, then the slope of the perpendicular is the opposite reciprocal.

If that's not painfull enough, you can also normalize the tanget vector and take it's derivative. By normalizing the tangent, you make it travel in a circle, so the derivative will always be perpendicular or zero.
 

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