Problem of inter continental ballistic missiles

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The discussion revolves around the kinematics of Inter Continental Ballistic Missiles (ICBMs) and the challenges posed by the Earth's rotation and the choice of coordinate systems in projectile motion. Participants explore theoretical frameworks and mathematical approaches to model the missile's trajectory.

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  • One participant raises a question about how to describe the kinematics of an ICBM, noting the complications introduced by the rotating "g" vector and the non-linear coordinate system.
  • Another participant suggests using Lagrangian mechanics, proposing to define a coordinate system based on latitude, longitude, and height, and to derive the equations of motion from the Lagrangian.
  • A third participant mentions that the problem is commonly discussed in textbooks and suggests adding a gyroscope to complicate the dynamics further.
  • One participant questions whether this problem could be approached using Differential Geometry.

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Participants express differing views on the best approach to model the missile's motion, with no consensus on a single method or framework. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most appropriate mathematical tools to apply.

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Participants do not fully explore the implications of the Earth's rotation or the specific challenges of using different coordinate systems. There is also a lack of clarity on how to integrate the effects of additional factors, such as gyroscopic motion.

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Hello guys I have a problem with projectile motion. Suppose we launch an Inter Continental Ballistic Missile from one point to another on Earth's surface ( For example from Tokyo to California ) how do we describe the kinematics of the missile.[ The problem is that the "g" vector is rotating and also we cannot choose a linear co-ordinate system. Any ideas ?
 
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I would suggest using Lagrangian mechanics to solve the problem. Basically you chose a convenient coordinate system (lattitude, longitude, and height? or perhaps Euler angles?), and then you write the Lagrangian in that coordinate system as a function of your chosing variables, and their time derivatives.

For this simple problem, the Lagrangian L of the missile will be the kinetic energy T in an earth-centered inertial frame minus the potential enregy V in an ECI frame.

Then you use Lagrange's equations to get the equations of motion for the missile.

There's an overview at the Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrangian_mechanics

it may not be clear enough if you are not familiar with the subject. You may have to consult a textbook if you want a really detailed explanation. The quick overview is that you have a function L, called the Lagrangian which is written in the form

L(x, x', t), where x is is a coordinate, x' is it's time derivative, and t is time.

Then Lagrange's equations give you the equations of motion directly from the Lagrangian

[tex] \frac{d}{dt}\left(\frac{\partial L}{\partial x'}\right) =\frac{\partial L}{\partial x}[/tex]

A simple example - in cartesian coordinates in a potential V with only one coordinate x

L(x,x') = .5*m*x'^2 - V(x)

(note that this is kinetic energy minus potential energy).

Then

d/dt(m*x') = -[itex]\partial V/\partial x[/itex]

For systems with more than one coordinate, there is one Lagrange's equation for each independent coordiante (variable).
 
This problem is discussed in many textbooks, and is basic to the study of ballistics. Standard stuff. You want really hard; add a gyroscope to the system and then work out the dynamics of the combined system.

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Reilly Atkinson
 
Would this be an application in Differential Geometry?
 

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