Demostration of gravity as expansion of matter

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between gravity, time dilation, and the behavior of a pendulum, with participants exploring theories related to the expansion of space and its implications on time perception and physical phenomena. The scope includes conceptual reasoning and technical explanations.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that if space doubles in size every 30 seconds, then time must also double to maintain the speed of light, using the behavior of a pendulum as a basis for this claim.
  • Another participant challenges the 30-second assertion, providing calculations that suggest observable spacetime has a radius of 10^28 cm and has doubled in size over a much longer timescale, specifically during the inflationary era shortly after the big bang.
  • A different participant expresses confusion over the numerical claims but suggests that the pendulum's behavior indicates that increased centrifugal force may affect time dilation, proposing that more gravity correlates with more time dilation.
  • One participant corrects their earlier statement, asserting that an increase in gravity leads to more time dilation, while a decrease in gravity results in a contraction of time.
  • Another participant notes that the pendulum's period remains approximately equal for different amplitudes, mentioning the mathematical simplifications involved in analyzing its motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between gravity, time dilation, and the expansion of space. There is no consensus on the validity of the 30-second doubling claim or the implications of pendulum behavior on time perception.

Contextual Notes

Some participants' arguments depend on specific assumptions about the nature of spacetime and gravity, and there are unresolved mathematical steps in the claims made regarding the pendulum's behavior and time dilation.

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in order to prove this theroy since space doubles its size every 30 seconds more or less you should prove that time also doubles in order to keep the speed of light

i start by considering that to run a distance with the same aceleration of speed and aceleration of braking from 0 to 0 the shorter the distance the shorter the time this is obvious

but a pendulum behaves diferently for a smaller distance with each oscillation (because of friction) takes the same time with the same aceleration (gravity)

it should take less time for each oscillation of the pendulum but it takes the same.

that is because time doubles every 30 seconds as well as space making appear the shorter time of the shorter oscilations to be the same but that is just our perception truly and fisically the shorter the oscillation the shorter the time

of course i can be wrong tell me if you see any mistake here


ps: please send me the 3 other posts by raaid mustafa besides the 5th dimension since they are not avalaible any more
 
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Observable spacetime has a radius of 1028 cm. It has doubled in size in the last 1028 cm/((21/3) x 3 x 1010 cm/sec)=3 x 1017 sec, definitely not the 30 seconds you state.

During the inflationary era, ~10-35 sec after the big bang, the universe doubled its size roughly every 10-50 sec.
 
too many numbers for me to understand that

but the pendulum behavior still strikes me since it seems that the extra centrifugal force add to the force of gravity seems to dilate time

a same pendulum going from 3 o clock to 9 will take the same time that if it goes from 5 to 7

the only diference between the two cases is that in the second there's a predominancy of the centrigugal force (proportionally there's more centrifugal force in the second case than in the first
since proportionaly there's more horizontal movement)

seems that the increase of gravity due to the more proportion of the centrifugal force that push downwards, just as gravity, dilates time making the pendulum has less aceleration in the second case than in the first when it should be the opposite

there fore you could say the more gravity the more dilatation of time

i just can find other explanation for the extrange behaviour of the pendulum
 
i correct my self the more increase of gravity the more dilatation of time, the more decrease of gravity the more shrink of time
 
Originally posted by Loren Booda
Observable spacetime has a radius of 1028 cm. It has doubled in size in the last 1028 cm/((21/3) x 3 x 1010 cm/sec)=3 x 1017 sec, definitely not the 30 seconds you state.

During the inflationary era, ~10-35 sec after the big bang, the universe doubled its size roughly every 10-50 sec.

note: he ment 30 parasec.
 
Thanks, QuantumNet.

sea_wizard, The pendulum to first approximation has equal periods for different maximum amplitudes. Remember, though, the substitution of linear [the] for nonlinear sin[the] used in simplifying its angular time dependence.
 

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