Why Do Low Frequencies Travel Through Walls?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores why low-frequency sounds, such as bass from music, travel through walls more effectively than higher-frequency sounds. Participants examine the physical principles involved, including wavelength, diffraction, and resonance, within the context of sound transmission in residential settings.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that low-frequency sounds have larger wavelengths, allowing them to "bend around" obstacles more effectively than higher frequencies, which have shorter wavelengths and are more easily blocked.
  • One participant introduces the concept of diffraction, explaining that it occurs when the wavelength is large compared to the size of obstacles, and mentions that sound can transmit through windows more easily than walls.
  • Another participant observes that walls and windows may resonate with low frequencies, causing rattling and shaking, which can be more disruptive than the sound itself.
  • A participant questions the relevance of resonance in the context of tuning forks, suggesting that the situation with loud neighbors is different.
  • One participant discusses automobile cab tuning frequencies, indicating that they are based on quarter wavelengths rather than full wavelengths.
  • Another participant mentions that wave amplitudes are absorbed exponentially with distance, depending on the thickness of the wall relative to the wavelength.
  • One participant brings up room resonances, suggesting that these may increase the transmissivity of walls at certain frequencies and that the energy concentration in the music's spectrum is also a factor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the mechanisms behind sound transmission, with some agreeing on the role of wavelength and diffraction while others introduce additional factors such as resonance and energy concentration. No consensus is reached on the primary explanation for why low frequencies travel through walls more effectively.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss various assumptions about sound transmission, including the effects of wall thickness and the specific frequencies involved. There is also mention of the dependence on the characteristics of the sound source and the environment.

BigMacnFries
After being pissed by my neighbours bass all afternoon I am wondered why is it that only the low frequencies travel into my room while the treble is completley inaudible?
 
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Waves at low frequencies have a larger wavelength. Typically, low noises are roughly at ~75 Hz, the speed of sound is about 340 m/s, so that gives a wavelength of [itex]\lambda = v/f=340/75 \approx 4.5 m[/itex]. Since this is much larger than the typical dimensions of the obstructions the waves meet, it will 'bend around it'.

Higher notes, at a frequency of about 750 Hz, which is 10 times higher, have a wavelength taht is 10 times shorter ~45 cm. Waves at these frequencies are more easiliy blocked.
 
"bend around it", please explain, as I am inside a closed house so sound must travel through the walls.
 
It's called diffraction. I found a site about it:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/sound/diffrac.html

Diffraction will only occur if the wavelength is large compared to the size of the obstacles.

Even though your house is closed, the sound will be transmitted through the windows much easier than through the walls. This too might be frequency dependent due to the resonance frequencies of the windows and walls, but I`m not too sure about that.
 
You can tell if the walls and windows are resonant with the frequency from your neighbours bass because they will rattle and shake quite noticably. In fact the rattling and shaking at my house is more annoying than the actual music.

I too have loud neigbours :smile: .

Claude.
 
Is that somewhat similar to the resonance when you place two tuning forks beside each other and make one vibrate
 
no - that's either forced or the 2 tuning forks have the same natural frequency. But think about it, those idiots, that spend thousands on sound systems, aren't even benefitting from it - what kind of rice burner has ANY 4.5 meter span, let alone one, from the front of the sub-woofer. The car is too small to even set up a wave in.
 
Cab Calcs

Automobile cab tuning frequencies are typical based on ¼ wavelengths not the full wavelength.
 
Claude Bile said:
I too have loud neigbours :smile: .

I have a bunch of Menonite (sp?) neighbors. Loudest noise is the occasional car starting up around here :D Except when some low rider or whatever jerk comes up the main street a few blocks away with their stupid base.
 
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The correct answer is that wave amplitudes are absorbed exponentially with distance
according to the wavenumber. If the wall is only 0.01 wavelengths thick, the sound
will get through much better than if it is .1 wavelengths thick.
 
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I agree with Antiphon, and I guess you can also think in terms of the cavity (room) resonances. In a cubic room of 5 meters you have [itex]\lambda = 68 m [\itex] which is pretty close to the wave length you are mentioning. Moreover this resonances tell us that the transmissivity of you walls get higher at these frequencies. You have also to consider how much energy is concentrated in each frequency of the music source, i.e. its spectrum.<br /> <br /> Best Regards<br /> <br /> DaTario[/itex]
 

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