Running 10mph Inside a Train Moving 40mph: Was I Right?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of relative velocity, specifically in the context of a person running inside a train that is also in motion. Participants explore how different frames of reference affect the perceived speed of the runner both from inside the train and from an outside observer's perspective.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the overall system's speed is 40mph, while the runner's speed is 10mph, leading to a perceived speed of 50mph for an outside observer.
  • Another participant agrees and emphasizes the importance of defining the frame of reference when discussing velocities, providing multiple perspectives on the runner's speed.
  • A follow-up question introduces a scenario where the runner is moving in the opposite direction, suggesting that the perceived speed would be 30mph to an outside observer, which is also affirmed by another participant.
  • There is a suggestion to clarify the reference point when stating velocities to avoid confusion.

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Participants generally agree on the principles of relative velocity and the importance of specifying the frame of reference. No significant disagreements are noted in the responses.

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The discussion assumes a basic understanding of relative motion and does not delve into more complex scenarios or potential limitations of the examples provided.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in understanding relative motion, physics students, or anyone looking to clarify concepts related to velocity and frames of reference.

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My friend was in a ponderous mood and asked me the following question:

If a train is traveling at 40mph and you are inside the train and running 10mph in the same direction as the train is travelling, what speed are you moving at?

The answer i gave him was that

1/ The overall system is traveling at 40mph
2/ You are running at 10mph inside the train
3/ To an outside observer you appear to be running at 50mph

Was i right in my assumptions?

Thanx
 
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You are correct. The critical point is that you have to define your "frame of reference" before you can give a velocity.

All of the following are correct:

The person is running at 10 mph to an observer sitting on a seat on the train.

The person is running at 50 mph to an observer sitting still beside the railroad track.

The person is running at 0 mph to an observer who is running along with him.

- Warren
 
Ok that's cool then, glad i was right for once

If the train were to travel at 40mph and you were inside the train running 10mph in the opposite direction, what would observers view?

Am i right in assuming that again,

1/ The system is moving at +40mph
2/ You are running at -10mph to an inside observer
3/ To an outside observer you are facing the wrong way traveling at +30mph

Thanx
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That is also correct. In general, you'll make your life easier if you never refer to velocities without mentioning the reference to which those velocities are measured.

Instead of saying

The system is moving at +40mph

Say

The system is moving at +40mph to an observer at rest on the ground.

- Warren
 
Yeah thanks i was just thinking simple terms, my friend isn't the sciency type so its best not to confuse him!
 

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