Four-vectors, Minkowsky spacetime.

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of "timelike," "spacelike," and "lightlike" separations in the context of Minkowski spacetime and relativistic electrodynamics. Participants seek to understand the physical interpretations and implications of these terms as they relate to spacetime diagrams and the nature of events in relativity.

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  • Some participants explain that "timelike," "spacelike," and "lightlike" refer to the spacetime distance between events, with lightlike events having zero distance, timelike events having positive distance, and spacelike events having negative distance, depending on the metric signature.
  • One participant describes the Minkowski metric and how it defines the conditions for timelike and spacelike separations, noting that spacelike events cannot be connected by any real particle traveling at or below the speed of light.
  • Another participant adds that timelike events are represented by directions pointing inside the lightcone, lightlike events along the lightcone, and spacelike events outside the lightcone.
  • Physical interpretations are provided, indicating that timelike-separated events can be perceived as occurring at the same location by some observers, spacelike-separated events can be perceived as simultaneous by some observers, and lightlike-separated events can be connected by a photon.

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Participants generally agree on the definitions and interpretations of timelike, spacelike, and lightlike separations, but the discussion remains exploratory without a consensus on deeper implications or applications.

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Some assumptions about the metric signature and the nature of observers are present, but these are not fully explored or resolved within the discussion.

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somebody know about this terms: "timelike, spacelike or lightlike"
they often are used in relativistic electrodynamic
i.e when I´m referring to the lightcone in a spacetime diagram.
I would like some physics-interpretation of this concepts.
thanks.
D. Norbert
 
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These basically apply to three different possibilities for the spacetime distance between two events: positive, negative or zero. Lightlike (or null separated) events have zero distance between them; how timelike and spacelike match up with positive and negative depends on the signature of your metric. Suppose we use Minkowski metric [itex]\eta_{\alpha\beta}=diag(1,-1,-1,-1)[/itex], then spacelike means [itex]ds^2<0[/itex] and timelike means [itex]ds^2>0[/itex]. Here's where the names come from.

If we have two events such that the spatial distance between them is equal to the time between them times the speed of light, i.e. [itex]ds^2=c^2dt^2-dx^2-dy^2-dz^2=0[/itex] then the events are lightlike since they can be connected by the path of a photon.

If there are two events that can't be joined by the path of any real particle (i.e. one traveling at or below the speed of light) then the events are spacelike. An example is two simultaneous (in a given frame) events at different spatial locations. Then [itex]dt^2=0[/itex] since no time elapses between the events, and [itex]ds^2=-dx^2-dy^2-dz^2<0[/itex]. You can sort of think of it as being that they are spacelike because there is `more space than time between them'.

Finally, two events which can be joined by the path of a massive particle (i.e. traveling with v<c) are timelike - e.g. `more time than space between them' such as two events that happen in the same place but at different times. Then there is no spatial distance between them so [itex]dx^2=dy^2=dz^2=0[/itex] and we have [itex]ds^2=c^2dt^2>0[/itex].
 
Just to add to mikeu's post,
timelike is a direction from the vertex pointing inside the lightcone,
lightlike (or null) is a direction from the vertex pointing along the lightcone,
spacelike is a direction from the vertex pointing outside the lightcone.


These adjectives apply to the generic four-vector, as well as the displacement four-vector.

Physically:
Timelike-related events are said to be "chronologically connected".
Nonspacelike-related events are said to be "causally connected".
Spacelike-related events are not causally connected. Such events cannot influence each other.
 
The physical interpretation is:

  • If two events have a timelike separation, then there is an inertial observer who thinks they occur at the same place
  • If two events have a spacelike separation, then there is an inertial observer who thinks they occur at the same time
  • If two events have a null (lightlike) separation, then a photon can pass between them
 

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