What Is Mass Defect in Nuclear Physics?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of mass defect in nuclear physics, exploring its implications, definitions, and related phenomena. Participants inquire about the relationship between mass defect, binding energy, and the conservation of mass, as well as the nature of particles involved in nuclear interactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe mass defect as the difference between the expected mass of individual protons and neutrons and the actual mass of a nucleus, attributing this to binding energy.
  • There is a suggestion that mass defect does not violate the law of conservation of mass, as it applies to chemical reactions, and that energy is required to bind protons and neutrons together in a nucleus.
  • One participant questions how indivisible particles can give up energy to bind, suggesting that quarks have a constant mass and can only convert entirely to energy, which they argue is not observed.
  • Another participant counters that particles, including quarks, do not have a constant mass and that their mass can change depending on their state (solitary or bound), with some mass being converted into binding energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of mass defect and the behavior of particles, particularly regarding the concept of constant mass and the implications for binding energy. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the understanding of how mass defect relates to the conservation of mass and the behavior of particles at different states, with some assumptions about the nature of mass and energy conversion remaining unaddressed.

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Dear reader,

My friend was telling about something called mass defect. what is it correctly?

-benzun
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Yes he was talking about this only. Can anyone tell more about it.
 
Basically people measured the masses of individual protons and neutrons, and then measured the masses of the nuclei of the elements of the periodic table. They found that the masses of the nuclei were less than they expected, i.e. a carbon-12 nucleus, with 6 protons and 6 neutrons, did not measure as much as 6 individual protons + 6 individual neutrons.

This is due to the fact that the protons and neutrons are bound together in the nucleus by the strong and weak nuclear forces. To split a nucleus up into its individual components, energy must be input into the nucleus. This energy is called the 'binding energy' of that particular nucleus, and since E = mc^2 the binding energy corresponds to a mass. The binding energy is equal to the difference in mass between the nucleus and the composite protons and neutrons.

Jess
 
so does this break the law of conservation of mass?
My friend was telling that einstine's equation E=mc^2 has something to do with it. he also told that when we pass light through some solution(i am not sure of the name ) electrons get formed is this true?

I hope someone will help me.

-Benzun
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Originally posted by benzun_1999
so does this break the law of conservation of mass?

as far as I know this law applies for chemical reactions.
http://science10.dev.kcdc.ca/chemunit/lawmass.html

as Jess said when you gather toghether protons and neutrons in a nucleus, you need some energy to keep them together (protons are positively charged and they tend to repel each other). This energy is used by the strong nuclear force. So let's say you have 6p and 6n and a C12 nucleus. if you measure the mass for all this you'll find that:

mass of C12 + md = mass of (6p and 6n)

where md (mass defect) = e/c2, that means exactly the energy required to keep the neutrons and protons together.
 
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Indivisible particles

There is something about the mass defect that I cannot understand, if the consituant particles of the nucleus are indivisible how can they give up just some of their energy to bind, surely quarks have a constant mass (if at rest) and can therefore only be converted entirely to energy, which of course is not observed
 


Originally posted by AlanPartr
There is something about the mass defect that I cannot understand, if the consituant particles of the nucleus are indivisible how can they give up just some of their energy to bind, surely quarks have a constant mass (if at rest) and can therefore only be converted entirely to energy, which of course is not observed

No particles, including quarks don't have constant mass. Particles have a rest mass when solitary (not quarks as they never are)and moving v slow, and a lower mass when bound up in a nucleus. Some of the mass is converted into binding energy. If they speed up they gain mass.
Being indivisible does not mean the same as having a fixed, constant mass.
 

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