Shankar Page 153: 5.1.10 & 5.1.11 Meaning - Delta Function?

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The discussion centers around the interpretation of equations (5.1.10) and (5.1.11) from the second edition of Shankar's "Principles of Quantum Mechanics." Participants are seeking clarification on whether (5.1.10) represents a delta function and the implications of these equations in the context of quantum mechanics, particularly regarding propagators and wave functions.

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  • One participant asks for clarification on the meaning of equations (5.1.10) and (5.1.11) and whether (5.1.10) stands for a delta function.
  • Another participant questions which edition of Shankar's book is being referenced, noting a discrepancy in page numbers and content related to propagators.
  • A suggestion is made to write out the equations in LaTeX for better clarity, as many participants may not have access to the book.
  • A participant explains that (5.1.10) represents the free particle propagator in position space and describes its role in evolving a wave function over time.
  • One participant asserts that (5.1.10) indeed stands for a delta function when t approaches zero.
  • Several participants confirm the equations, with one expressing confusion about the relationship between the wave function and the propagator, indicating a misunderstanding of the integral's role.

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There is no consensus on the interpretation of (5.1.10) and (5.1.11), with some participants agreeing that (5.1.10) represents a delta function under certain conditions, while others focus on the broader context of propagators without settling the interpretation.

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Participants express varying levels of familiarity with LaTeX and the specific content of Shankar's book, which may affect their ability to engage with the equations directly. There are also unresolved questions about the implications of the equations in quantum mechanics.

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Would someone mind opening his or her Shankar page 153 and tell me what (5.1.10) and (5.1.11) exactly mean? Does (5.1.10) stand for a delta function?

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which Shankar book are you talking about? The "Principles of quantum mechanics"? I have one (1st edition) here, but equation (5.1.10) and (5.1.11) are on page 161 and deal with propagators.

Do you have the second edition?
 
Why don't you write the equations out for us in LaTeX and we can then figure out what they are, since most people probably don't have this book. You will get a lot more help.
Cheers,
Ryan
 
Why don't you scan in the page so we can have a look.
 
it's the second edition of "Principles of Quantum Mechanics" and unfortunately I haven't learned the Latex thing yet and neither do I have a scanner...it's the free particle propagator represented in position space which multiplied with a wave function at t=0 under an integral over space gives the wave function at a later time

it's really only a kids question for you guys
 
They are evolution equations, when t->0, (5.1.10) really stands for
a delta function.
 
Are these the equations?

(5.1.10)
[tex]U(x,t;x')\equiv \langle x|U(t)|x' \rangle = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\langle x|p\rangle \langle p|x' \rangle e^{-ip^2t/2m\hbar}dp<br /> =\frac{1}{2\pi \hbar}\int_{-\infty}^\infty e^{ip(x-x')/\hbar} \cdot e^{-ip^2t/2m\hbar}dp=\left(\frac{m}{2\pi \hbar it}\right)^{1/2}e^{im(x-x')^2/2\hbar t[/tex]

(5.1.11)
[tex]\psi(x,t)=\int U(x,t;x')\psi(x',0)dx'[/tex]
 
Galileo said:
Are these the equations?

(5.1.10)
[tex]U(x,t;x')\equiv \langle x|U(t)|x' \rangle = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\langle x|p\rangle \langle p|x' \rangle e^{-ip^2t/2m\hbar}dp<br /> =\frac{1}{2\pi \hbar}\int_{-\infty}^\infty e^{ip(x-x')/\hbar} \cdot e^{-ip^2t/2m\hbar}dp=\left(\frac{m}{2\pi \hbar it}\right)^{1/2}e^{im(x-x')^2/2\hbar t[/tex]

(5.1.11)
[tex]\psi(x,t)=\int U(x,t;x')\psi(x',0)dx'[/tex]

These are the equations. Thanks Galileo, thanks snooper007, thanks everbody else. I will learn Latex now.

My trouble was that I thought wave(x,t)=propagator acts on wave(x,0), without any integral.
 

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