Questions on Palindromic & Sequence Numbers

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The discussion revolves around questions related to palindromic numbers and a problem involving distinct integers from a specific sequence. Participants explore methods for calculating the number of palindromic numbers and seek shortcuts for solving these problems, including the application of the pigeonhole principle.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how many 6-digit palindromic numbers exist and seeks a shortcut for the calculation.
  • Another participant suggests that since palindromic numbers mirror around the center, the first three digits determine the entire number, initially stating there are 103 such numbers.
  • A later reply questions this count, proposing that the correct number might be 900 due to the first digit not being able to be zero.
  • For the second question, participants discuss how many odd 7-digit palindromic numbers exist with the condition that no digit appears more than twice, with one participant noting the complexity of the problem and expressing uncertainty about finding an easy solution.
  • Regarding the problem of selecting 14 distinct integers from the sequence 100 to 124, one participant suggests using the pigeonhole principle to demonstrate that at least two selected numbers must have a difference of 4.
  • A hint is provided about the range of numbers being from N to N+24, implying a connection to the number of integers involved in the selection process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the count of 6-digit palindromic numbers, with no consensus reached. The discussion on the odd 7-digit palindromic numbers and the integer selection problem also remains unresolved, with multiple approaches and uncertainties presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in their approaches, such as the complexity of counting palindromic numbers under specific conditions and the need for shortcuts in problem-solving. There is also a mention of the pigeonhole principle, but its application is not fully explored.

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more questions?

Hi more questions again... :blushing: :blushing: i am having a hard time figuring out these questions...
1)a)how many 6-digit palindromic numbers are there?
(i can do this the slow way, but i am looking for shortcuts)
b) how many odd 7-difit palindromic numbers are there in which every digit appears at most twice?
( again, i am looking for a fast way)

2)show that if 14 distinct intergers are chosen form the sequence 100, 101,102, 103...,123,124, there must be two of them whose difference is 4
(i have worked this out by writing out 14 numbers and having all the possibilities(it took a long time) and i am looking for a shortcut) :smile:
 
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chickenguy said:
Hi more questions again... :blushing: :blushing: i am having a hard time figuring out these questions...
1)a)how many 6-digit palindromic numbers are there?
(i can do this the slow way, but i am looking for shortcuts)
What do you mean by the "slow way". Since the numbers are palindromic, once you have the first 3, the others must be the same. There are 103 such numbers.

b) how many odd 7-difit palindromic numbers are there in which every digit appears at most twice?
( again, i am looking for a fast way)
Lazy , eh? Since 7 is odd, we are looking for 4 digits. No digit more than twice? Okay, there are 10 possible first digits, then 10 possible second digits (which might be the same). We might want to separate those: there are 10(9)= 90 two different digit combos, 10 possible where the two digits are the same. Of the "different" two digits, there are again 10 possiblilities for the 3 digit but again we will want to consider separately that digit being the same or not the same as one of the first two... If the first two digits are the same then there are 9 possibilities for the third digit, etc.
I don't see any "easy" way. Sorry.

2)show that if 14 distinct intergers are chosen form the sequence 100, 101,102, 103...,123,124, there must be two of them whose difference is 4
(i have worked this out by writing out 14 numbers and having all the possibilities(it took a long time) and i am looking for a shortcut) :smile:
pigeon hole principal ought to work. How many different "differences" are possible?
 
chickenguy said:
2)show that if 14 distinct intergers are chosen form the sequence 100, 101,102, 103...,123,124, there must be two of them whose difference is 4
(i have worked this out by writing out 14 numbers and having all the possibilities(it took a long time) and i am looking for a shortcut) :smile:

Hint: There's a reason the range is from N to N+24 (includes less than 14*2 - 1 integers)
 
HallsofIvy said:
What do you mean by the "slow way". Since the numbers are palindromic, once you have the first 3, the others must be the same. There are 103 such numbers.

Actually, wouldn't it be 900, since the first digit can't be 0?
 

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