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The discussion revolves around proving the commutative property of the dot product in vector mathematics, specifically that \(\vec{a} \cdot \vec{b} = \vec{b} \cdot \vec{a}\). Participants are seeking clarification and guidance on how to demonstrate this property, as well as exploring related properties of the dot product.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants suggest expressing the dot product in terms of components and using properties of real numbers to demonstrate commutativity. There are attempts to expand the dot product definition and evaluate both sides of the equation to compare results.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering different methods to approach the proof. Some have provided partial expansions and definitions, while others are questioning whether their current approaches sufficiently demonstrate the property. There is no explicit consensus yet on a complete proof.

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Participants are working within the constraints of homework guidelines, which may limit the extent of assistance they can provide to one another. There is an emphasis on understanding the definitions and properties involved in the dot product.

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Hello everyone, does anyone know the proof of the dot products communative property (a)(b) = (b)(a) or any websites that show the dot products communative property? or other properties? Thanks! The book only shows the distributed property.
 
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Write a.b and then b.a in terms of the components or as |a||b|cosO. Commutativity of the dot products follows from commutativity of addition (resp. multiplication) in [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex].
 
(a1 i + b1 j) [itex]\bullet[/itex] (a2 i + b2 j) =

a1 i [itex]\bullet[/itex] a2 i + a1 i [itex]\bullet[/itex] b2 j + b1 j [itex]\bullet[/itex] a2 i + b1 j [itex]\bullet[/itex] b2 j =

remember i [itex]\bullet[/itex] i = j [itex]\bullet[/itex] j = 1, and i [itex]\bullet[/itex] j = j [itex]\bullet[/itex] i = 0,

then regroup and show something similar to

a * b = b * a

and this can be extended to 3 dimensions
 
well, the dot product is a definition.

as such

[tex] \vec{a}\bullet\vec{b}=<br /> <br /> \left(<br /> \begin{array}{cc}<br /> a_x \\<br /> a_y\\<br /> a_z<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)<br /> \bullet<br /> \left(<br /> \begin{array}{cc}<br /> b_x \\<br /> b_y\\<br /> b_z<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)<br /> =a_xb_x + a_yb_x + a_zb_z[/tex]

so, what is [tex]\vec{b}\bullet\vec{a}[/tex]?
 
Cool so all I really need to show is this? or doesn't this prove it yet? Thanks for the replies everyone
[tex] \vec{b}\bullet\vec{a}=<br /> <br /> \left(<br /> \begin{array}{cc}<br /> b_x \\<br /> b_y\\<br /> b_z<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)<br /> \left(<br /> \begin{array}{cc}<br /> a_x \\<br /> a_y\\<br /> a_z<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)<br /> \bullet<br /> <br /> =b_xa_x + b_xa_y + b_za_z[/tex]
 
You need to show that
[tex]\vec{b}\bullet\vec{a} = \vec{a}\bullet\vec{b}[/tex]

Evaluate each side and compare. Make use of the commutivity of ordinary addition, as quasar987 advised.
 

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