Plasma stage Vs. absolute zero?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the comparison between the plasma state of matter and the behavior of atoms as they approach absolute zero. Participants explore the implications of temperature on electron orbitals and the nature of plasma.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that as an atom reaches the plasma stage, its electrons occupy larger orbitals.
  • Another participant questions whether electrons move into smaller orbitals as an atom approaches absolute zero, wondering if they eventually crash into the nucleus or if there is a limit to how small the orbitals can get.
  • A participant explains that the "ground electronic state" is reached at temperatures below approximately 1000 K, indicating that there is no lower electronic state beyond this point.
  • One participant asserts that plasma is characterized by electrons being sheared off from atoms, resulting in free positively and negatively charged particles.
  • Another participant agrees with this characterization of plasma, emphasizing the separation of electrons and nuclei due to high energy levels.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definition of plasma and its characteristics but have differing views on the behavior of electrons in relation to absolute zero, indicating unresolved questions about electron behavior in extreme conditions.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding assumptions about electron behavior at absolute zero and the definitions of states of matter, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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I know that when an atom reachs the plasma stage its electrons have gone through diffrent orbitals getting consecutivly larger.

I have a question about what happens as an atom approches absolute zero. as the atom gets colder do its electrons move into smaller orbitals until they crash into the nuculus or is there an orbital at which they stop?
 
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At ordinary temperatures, you are looking at thermal energies measured in meV; energies necessary to move atoms/molecules from ground electronic states to excited states are measured in eV. Bottom line, "the orbital at which they stop" is called the "ground electronic state," it is reached when systems reach temperatures less than, oh what, let's say 1000 K, and there is no lower electronic state.

When cooling an atomic/molecular system from very high temperatures, the electronic ground state is the first to be reached, from that point you are reducing the translational, rotational, and vibrational quantum numbers to their ground state as you approach 0 K.
 
Am I wrong in thinking that plasma is a state in which the electrons have been sheared off the atom, there by having Positively charged and negitivly charged particle free from each other?[?]
 
no your right the plasma stage is where the electrons have enough energy to excape the atom thus creating a field of elecrons and separated nuculuses
 

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