Why is the second derivative expressed differently in Lebnit's notation?

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The discussion centers around the notation used for the second derivative in calculus, specifically in Leibniz's notation. Participants explore the reasoning behind the expression d²y/dx² compared to a proposed alternative d²y/d²x². The conversation includes foundational concepts in calculus and clarifications on notation.

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  • One participant questions why the second derivative is expressed as d²y/dx² instead of d²y/d²x², suggesting a potential misunderstanding of the notation.
  • Another participant explains that the second derivative is the first derivative of the first derivative, leading to the notation d²y/dx².
  • A participant seeks clarification on whether dx represents "d times x" or a single variable, indicating confusion about the notation.
  • It is clarified that dx is not "d times x," but rather a limit process related to changes in x.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the notation, with some confusion remaining about the meaning of dx. There is no consensus on the proposed alternative notation d²y/d²x².

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Participants have varying backgrounds in calculus, with one being a high school student. The discussion reflects different levels of familiarity with mathematical notation and concepts.

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Students beginning their studies in calculus, educators looking for insights into common student misconceptions, and anyone interested in mathematical notation and its interpretations.

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I am in my first year of calculus at the high school level so be patient with me.

Why is it that in Lebnit's (spelling?) notation the second derivative is expressed as d²y/dx² ? My instructor did not know and from what we could work out it seems as if it should be expressed as d²y/d²x².

We have covered about what you have covered in the first eighth of a college level calculus course so try not to go too far over my head.:smile:
 
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Hi Juxt, and welcome to PF.

The second derivative is just the first derivative of the first derivative. :smile:

Mathematically, the above sentence translates to:

d2y/dx2=(d/dx)(d/dx)y

You can loosely think of the two operators on the right as being multiplied like fractions to get:

(d2/dx2)y

or simply:

d2y/dx2.

edit: fixed typo
 
Maybe I was confused... is does dx= d times x or is dx like one variable (dx)? I am assuming that dx= d times x, as such I don't understand why it isn't d²y/d²x². Is my perception of the nomenclature wrong?
 
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Maybe I was confused... is does dx= d times x or is dx like one variable (dx)?

The second one.

dx is what you get when you take Δx(=x2-x1) and pass to the limit Δx-->0. Just as Δx is not Δ times x, so dx is not d times x.
 
Thank you for that terrific analogy. What a lightbulb.
 
lol taking calculus in high school rofl.
 

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