What Role Does Charge Play in the Mass of Particles in Space-Time?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the relationship between charge and mass in particles within the context of space-time. Participants present various ideas and hypotheses regarding how charge may influence mass, particularly in fundamental particles and composite particles like neutrons.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Theoretical development

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that mass exists in relation to charge, suggesting that charged particles have mass while massless particles, like light, do not.
  • Others question how quarks, which have the same charge, can have different masses, indicating a complexity in the relationship between charge and mass.
  • A participant mentions that the Z boson has mass but no charge, challenging the idea that charge is necessary for mass.
  • Another participant argues that while the Z boson has a net charge of zero, it is composed of charged particles, suggesting that charge is still present in some form.
  • There is a hypothesis that mass is an effect in space-time caused by charge, with a distinction made between fundamental particles and composite particles.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about whether mass is absolute or dependent on other factors, such as relative speed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the relationship between charge and mass. Multiple competing views remain, with some supporting the idea of a connection and others highlighting exceptions or questioning the premise.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the nature of mass and charge, particularly in relation to composite particles and the implications of particles like the Z boson. The discussion reflects a variety of assumptions and interpretations that are not fully clarified.

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Originally posted by benzun_1999
before i begin, this is my own idea not any sort of a theory. i feel mass is something that exist when there is a charge. Look at an atom it has charge(inside it) and it has mass. but now look at light, it has no charge and it has no mass. So i feel that mass is something caused by charge in space time.

how does the neutron fit in your theory?
 
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Originally posted by Guybrush Threepwood
how does the neutron fit in your theory?

it fits because, nutrons are made up of quarks which have charge.
So as per my idea(theory) they have mass.
 


Originally posted by benzun_1999
it fits because, nutrons are made up of quarks which have charge.
So as per my idea(theory) they have mass.

:smile: I was expecting that...
so the next question is obviously why the quarks with the same charge (u, c, t and respectively d, s, b) have masses so different?

http://www2.slac.stanford.edu/vvc/theory/quarks.html
 
Mass and gravity

mass and gravity is a unit , I think
The charge is not,
it is relation with time-space, don't relations each other.
 
I know ... I'really noisy ...

So ... is mass absolute or does it depend on something?

(I know that it certainly depends on the relative speed)





Thank you very much ...

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Originally posted by Guybrush Threepwood
:smile: I was expecting that...
so the next question is obviously why the quarks with the same charge (u, c, t and respectively d, s, b) have masses so different?

http://www2.slac.stanford.edu/vvc/theory/quarks.html

i accept this is a very resonable question. i almost forgot about the quarks.any way if you would give me a day or so i will figure it out anyway my statement was that anything that has charge has mass. i never mentioned that they are directly related.
 


Originally posted by benzun_1999
i accept this is a very resonable question. i almost forgot about the quarks.any way if you would give me a day or so i will figure it out anyway my statement was that anything that has charge has mass. i never mentioned that they are directly related.

But it doesn't work the other way. There is a particle that has mass, but not charge: the Z boson.
 
I hope you won't get angry with me ... but does it depend or not?
 


Originally posted by selfAdjoint
But it doesn't work the other way. There is a particle that has mass, but not charge: the Z boson.

z bosons decompose into quark and its anti quark or lepton and its anti lepton(both of them have charge)

according to the law of conservation of charge, charge can neither be created nor destroyed, sum total of charge is always conserved in any process.

so just as an atom has a 0 charge but has electrons and protons of +1 and -1 charge(totalling to 0)

Z bosons also has a charge of 0 (it has a charge) but it has quark and a antiquark or lepton and a anti lepton which have charges totalling to 0.

there by i conclude that Z bosons have charge which is produced in space time by is mathemetically zero.

i want to make one thing clear a charge is always present in an atom even if atom has zero charge. a charge according to me is something that causes some sensation(such as curve) in space time.

Hope you understand.

-benzun
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Originally posted by benzun_1999
... anyway my statement was that anything that has charge has mass. i never mentioned that they are directly related.

true, and until it will be proven that the neutrino has mass you seem to be right.
But since we got moved to theory development let's try and develop something.:smile:
 
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since.....

Since we are in the theoretical development area I will tell what my hypothesis is all about.:smile:

I believe that mass is an effect (such as curve) in space-time that is caused due to a charge.

All fundamental particles such as quarks, leptons etc have a charge but at the same time we have certain compound particles such as neutron whose charge=0 but particles cause effect in space time because of the fundamental particles they are made up of.

But at the same time we have certain things such as light, which does not exercise the property of mass because they do not have charge.

I hope everyone understands it. I hope to receive clarifications from you.

Wait! If this is wrong, please let me know where the mistake is.:wink:

-Benzun
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