Furthorc Language: Anglo Saxon Usage in England

  • Context: Lingusitics 
  • Thread starter Thread starter wolram
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Language
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Furthorc (or Futhork) runic alphabet used in England from the 5th century, exploring its nature as a form of communication rather than a spoken language. Participants question its origins, significance, and relationship to other runic systems, particularly the Futhark.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Historical

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that Furthorc is not a spoken language but an intermediate form of communication.
  • Others clarify that Futhork is an alphabet, specifically a runic alphabet, and highlight its phonetic advantages over the Roman alphabet during its time.
  • A participant questions the spelling of "Furthorc" and suggests a connection to "futhark," providing external links for reference.
  • Another participant confirms the existence of both Futhark and Futhork, noting their distinct uses in Nordic and Anglo-Saxon contexts, respectively.
  • Discussion includes the survival of the letters thorn and edh into modern languages like Icelandic and Faeroese, with examples provided.
  • One participant shares a personal experience with Old English, mentioning the ability to recognize words from the Beowulf manuscript.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the distinction between Futhork and Futhark, but there is no consensus on the implications of Furthorc's usage or its origins. Multiple competing views remain regarding its significance and relationship to spoken language.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the phonetic representation of sounds and the historical context of the alphabet may depend on specific definitions and interpretations, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

wolram
Gold Member
Dearly Missed
Messages
4,411
Reaction score
551
The Anglo Saxon, Furthorc is used for inscription in england from about the
5th century, Furthorc it seems is not a spoken language more an intermediate
form of communication.
I am lost as to why it came into being, were the people that used it a sub
branch or backward group some how separate from all others ?
 
Science news on Phys.org
Futhork is an alphabet, not a language. It is what is commonly described as a "runic" alphabet, which does not mean anything mystical. The name comes from the first few letters of it, just as "alphabet" does. At this time ( < +500), the Futhorks were a better representation of early English speech than the Roman alphabet, the other choice. Futhorks had separate letters for hard ("thorn", as in thing) and soft ("edh", as in mother) th sounds, which made it more phonetic in that regard than the present English alphabet.

Thorn and edh survived into the middle ages after the other futhorks had been forgotten. The "Ye" of "Ye Olde Shoppe" is a late representation of thorn, which looked like a vertical stroke sprouting a hook on one side. Ye was understood to be pronounced "the" (note the loss of the soft-hard distinction), but in later times even this was forgotten and the word is now pronounced with the modern consonantal value of Y.
 
Last edited:
Sorry, yes, futhark. I was distracted by the OP's spelling.
 
selfAdjoint said:
Thorn and edh survived into the middle ages after the other futhorks had been forgotten.

They still survive in Icelandic and Faeroese, having been adapted into the Latin alphabet used by those languages. I wonder if they'll show up if I enter them here from Mac OS X... thorn þ Þ edh ð Ð

[previews...] Well, I see them, anyway! :biggrin:
 
Astronuc said:
This aspect of humanity is profoundly amazing. :cool: :smile:

With enough observation, reading (or at least figuring out the enunciation) of old english is a fairly interesting matter. I remember seeing a picture from Beowulf (original manuscript) and I was able to make out a few words, Hrothgar, fire (I think it was fyre), fate (wyrd), and others. The other words didn't make too much sense when said aloud, but I managed to figure out enough of the alphabet to know that it was Beowulf that I was looking at.

http://www.engl.virginia.edu/OE/courses/handouts/oealpha.html

Linguistic anthropology is definitely a most interesting subject... even if a lot of it is salvage anthropology.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Just for the record, both the Futhark and the Futhork exist. The Futhark is the nordic version of the runes, and the Futhork is the version the Anglo-Saxons used, which judging by the OPs posts in this forum, is what the OP is interested in. Sorry to dig up old threads, didn't know this forum existed! Looks kinda fun around here.
 
Lonewolf said:
Just for the record, both the Futhark and the Futhork exist. The Futhark is the nordic version of the runes, and the Futhork is the version the Anglo-Saxons used, which judging by the OPs posts in this forum, is what the OP is interested in. Sorry to dig up old threads, didn't know this forum existed! Looks kinda fun around here.

Nice to hear from you, Lonewolf, there are a few that post here, my interest
is mainly post roman up to 1600s England, but i do love most history topics.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
12K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
4K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
5K