Using Quarter Wave Plate in Microscopy: Hanan's Question

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The discussion revolves around the use of a quarter wave plate in microscopy, specifically its placement in relation to the specimen and polarizers. Participants explore the implications of positioning the plate before or after the specimen, particularly in the context of observing birefringent objects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Hanan questions whether a quarter wave plate can be placed before the specimen in a microscope setup, suggesting that phase differences may be additive.
  • Claude expresses an initial impression that the placement should not matter.
  • Another participant mentions that placing the quarter wave plate before the specimen would illuminate it with circularly polarized light, depending on the plate's orientation, and suggests that placing it after the specimen might yield more interesting results.
  • A participant discusses the use of a laser as a light source, noting enhancements in image quality but emphasizing the need for caution regarding eye safety.
  • Another participant raises the need for a broadband, zero-order quarter wave plate and inquires about the possibility of making one, while also mentioning the existence of a Fresnel rhomb as a potential solution.
  • One participant suggests that layers of cellophane tape can serve as a birefringent retarder and can be calibrated between crossed polarizers.
  • Discussion includes a mention of DIC microscopy, which uses prisms instead of retarders to enhance contrast.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the quarter wave plate's placement, with no consensus reached on the optimal configuration or its effects on the observed results.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference specific optical setups and materials, but the discussion does not resolve the technical nuances regarding the effects of placing the quarter wave plate in different positions within the optical path.

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Hello everybody,
I would like to put a quarter wave plate in my microscope (between two
crossed polarizers).

In every book i saw so far, the plate was just before the upper
polarizer, and after the specimen.

my question is - can i put the plate before the specimen?
so the path will be : light source, polarizer, plate, specimen,
polarizer.
note: my specimen is birefringence object.
the way i see it, phase differences are added together, so is there a
problem?

Thanks!
Hanan.
 
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My initial impression is no, it shouldn't matter.

Claude.
 
hen said:
Hello everybody,
I would like to put a quarter wave plate in my microscope (between two
crossed polarizers).

In every book i saw so far, the plate was just before the upper
polarizer, and after the specimen.

my question is - can i put the plate before the specimen?
so the path will be : light source, polarizer, plate, specimen,
polarizer.
note: my specimen is birefringence object.
the way i see it, phase differences are added together, so is there a
problem?

Thanks!
Hanan.

Have you ever used a LASER to replace your light source, I did this years back when I had my old microscope, Images seem to be enhanced, but you have to make sure the LASER beam is set to an adjusted angle so the beam doesn't fully enter the lens array.

You have to be very careful or it can cause eye problems, I use to use the projector lens so I didn't have to look directly in the eye piece.

LASER light gives a much better luminous image.

it was a pocket LASER from a gift machine, had about a 1000ft range. cost me 50 cents to win.

never look directly at LASER light for fear of going blind. :smile:
 
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I have a need for 2 things. One, I am told, does not exist: a broadband, zero-order, quaterwave plate (200 to 850nm) and the other is money to buy them.
If I can't buy it, I'd like to make it. Can anyone tell me whether I can make a quarterwave plate and if I can, is there a broadband version out there?
My goal is to allow a human eye to see circularly polarized light (without the aide of a camera).
 
A reasonably good retarder can be made with layers of cellophane tape becasue the tape is birefringent. Calibrate the tape by placing it between crossed polarizers.

A broadband zero-order quarterwave device exists- a Fresnel rhomb.

http://www.klccgo.com/

I can't help you with the money part.
 
hen said:
Hello everybody,
I would like to put a quarter wave plate in my microscope (between two
crossed polarizers).

In every book i saw so far, the plate was just before the upper
polarizer, and after the specimen.

my question is - can i put the plate before the specimen?
so the path will be : light source, polarizer, plate, specimen,
polarizer.
note: my specimen is birefringence object.
the way i see it, phase differences are added together, so is there a
problem?

Thanks!
Hanan.

What are you trying to do? Putting the quarter wave plate prior to the speciment will simply illuminate the sample with (for example) circularly polarized light, depending on the orientation of the plate. Putting it after the specimen would be more interesting, I would expect.

DIC microscopy uses a pair of prisms rather than retarders, becasue it uses interference to increase the contrast.
 

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