Solving Differential Equations with Simple Taylor Series Method

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The discussion revolves around the use of Taylor series for solving differential equations, particularly first and second order equations. Participants explore the method's applicability, share examples, and consider numerical approaches alongside Taylor series solutions.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant recalls a method for solving first and possibly second order differential equations using Taylor series, expressing a desire for more information on this approach.
  • Another participant provides a detailed example of applying the Taylor series method to a specific differential equation, outlining the process of calculating derivatives and constructing the Taylor polynomial.
  • A third participant suggests numerically solving the differential equation and comparing it to the Taylor series solution, indicating a preference for computational tools like Mathematica for derivative calculations.
  • One participant expresses interest in numerical methods, specifically the improved Euler's method, while also acknowledging the appeal of the Taylor series as a quicker solution for certain equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to solving differential equations, as some favor the Taylor series method while others lean towards numerical methods. The discussion remains open-ended with various perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the potential complexity of calculating higher-order derivatives in Taylor series expansions, indicating that this could limit practical applications. There is also an implied assumption that familiarity with numerical methods and computational tools varies among participants.

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Hi,
I was reading this math book once... and it had a method for solving differential equations of 1st (And maybe 2nd? I don't remember) order by using simple Taylor series...
I didn't even have to understand much of what was going on, except that I followed some simple rule and I ended up with an accurate solution.
Anyone know where I can find more information about this method? All of the other ones I'm finding show power series which look fairly tedious to compute.
Thanks.
 
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If, for example, you have a differential equation that says
[tex]\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}= f(x,y,\frac{dy}{dx})[/tex]
with initial conditions y(a)= A, y'(a)= B, you can use the equation directly to find y"(a), differentiate the equation to get a formula for y"'(x) and then evaluate to get y"'(a), differentiate again, etc. so that you can get as many derivatives, evaluated at x= a, as you want and construct the Taylor Polynomial. Especially nice for non-linear equations.

Specific example: y"= x2- y2 with initial conditions y(0)= 1, y'(0)= 0.

Immediately y"(0)= 02-(12)= -1.

y"'= 2x- 2yy' so y"'(0)= 2(0)- 2(1)(0)= 0.

yiv= 2- 2(y')2- 2yy" so
yiv(0)= 2- 2(02)-2(1)(0)= 2.

yv= -4(y')2- 2y'y"- 2yy"' so
yv(0)= -4(02)- 2(0)(-1)- 2(1)(0)= 0

To fifth order,
[tex]y(x)= 1- \frac{1}{2}x^2+ \frac{2}{4!}x^4[/tex]

Of course much past there the derivatives are likely to become unwieldly.
 
Alright, thanks for that. :D
 
Thanks, may work with this a bit. You guys mind? You know, solve the DE numerically, then calculate the Taylor series as Hall suggests, then plot the two and see how they match. Hey Pseudo, why don't you do that, say for the equation Hall used. You can take the easy approach like I would do: Have Mathematica calculate the derivatives and just string them together. :smile:
 
Hahah...
If I had Mathematica, that would probably be what I would do... ;)
I'm still looking into solving these numerically with the improved Euler's method... but I guess I'm a little too impatient to be using numerical methods forever.. :P
Looks like Taylor Series is a little short-cut to solving specific equations, heh.
 

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