Material for flywheel and carbon fibres

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The discussion centers around the suitability of carbon fiber reinforced polymers (CFRP) as materials for flywheels, exploring their strength-to-density ratio, safety considerations, manufacturing challenges, and toughness compared to other materials like titanium alloys. Participants also inquire about the implications of flywheel failure and the potential risks involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that CFRP offers a high strength-to-density ratio, making it a strong candidate for flywheel materials.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the safety of flywheels made from composites, with some suggesting that they may be safer due to their tendency to break into smaller pieces upon failure, though this is questioned as a well-proven fact.
  • Manufacturing difficulties associated with composite flywheels are mentioned, but specific challenges are not detailed.
  • Participants discuss the concept of toughness, with some asserting that toughness refers to the ability to resist fracture, and inquire about the toughness of composites and titanium alloys.
  • One participant references fracture toughness values for titanium alloys, specifically Ti-6Al-4V, but notes a lack of specific toughness numbers for composites.
  • There is a mention of the potential hazards of flywheel failure, including the phenomenon of "flywheel explosion," and the safety measures traditionally required to mitigate these risks.
  • A later reply questions the accuracy of claims regarding the safety of composite materials in flywheel applications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the safety and toughness of composite materials versus traditional materials like titanium alloys. There is no consensus on the best material for flywheels or the implications of flywheel failure, indicating multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in the discussion include a lack of specific data on the manufacturing challenges of composite flywheels and the absence of definitive toughness values for CFRP compared to titanium alloys. The discussion also reflects uncertainty regarding the safety claims associated with composite materials.

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hi all!
Are composites like carbon fibres (CFRP) the best material for flywheel?
There is no doubt on its high strength to density ratio.
Regarding the safety consideration, is flywheel made of composites safer than that made of other materials? I've read through some articles claiming that it should be safer in the sense that composite materials would break into many small pieces once broken. Is this a well-proven fact?
Also, regarding the manufacturing of flywheel using composites, is it sill difficult? Where are the difficulties?
All in all, what material would you consider to be the best material for flywheel?

By the way, can anyone tell me what "toughness" actually means? Is titanium alloy tough? are composites tough?
 
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I can't answer all the questions as I am not familiar with flywheel design, but certainly getting the maximum strength-to-density ratio is the way to go.

As for toughness, toughness is the ability to resist fracture. Fracture mechanics (FM) uses stress intensity as a property to quantify toughness. Much of FM is based on the maximum size flaw that can exist in an object without further propagation.

Here is a good source for use of carbon composites in fly-wheels:

http://www.utexas.edu/research/cem/archive_J_A_S_04.html

This paper might be of interest regarding NDT of CFRC's - http://space-power.grc.nasa.gov/ppo/projects/flywheel/papers/SPIE_4336-03.pdf

Flywheels are
made from exotic stuff, like composites of epoxy resin and carbon fibre. A carbon composite is four times stronger than steel, but only one quarter the weight. Jack Bitterly, and his team at U.S. Flywheel Systems, have come up with a flywheel roughly the size of a small bicycle wheel - but it can spin at 55,000 revolutions per minute (rpm), so it can store heaps of energy.
- http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/moments/gmis9733.htm

There are quite a few articles on U.S. Flywheel Systems, but I can't seem to find a website. Perhaps another company bought them or they changed their name.
 
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Astronuc said:
I can't answer all the questions as I am not familiar with flywheel design, but certainly getting the maximum strength-to-density ratio is the way to go.

As for toughness, toughness is the ability to resist fracture. Fracture mechanics (FM) uses stress intensity as a property to quantify toughness. Much of FM is based on the maximum size flaw that can exist in an object without further propagation.

Thanks for replying!
So are composites tough materials? alo, titanium alloys, are they tough?
 
I believe carbon composites are reasonably tough, but I can't give you a number at the moment.

As for Ti-alloys:

Here's a little background on Ti-6Al-4V, one of the most common Ti-alloys -
http://www.azom.com/details.asp?ArticleID=1547 - but there are no fracture toughness numbers.

A check of the Ti section of ASM's Metals Handbook indicates that Ti-6Al-4V has the greatest fracture toughness of a set of common Ti-alloys. With an alpha-beta forged treatment fracture toughness of Ti-6Al-4V is about 46 ksi[itex]\sqrt{in}[/itex] (50 MPa[itex]\sqrt{m}[/itex]) and in the beta forged state has a toughness of about 60 ksi[itex]\sqrt{in}[/itex] (66 MPa[itex]\sqrt{m}[/itex]). The trade off is that is has slightly lower YS, about 145 ksi (1000 MPa).

You might find this site of interest - a course on composite material design - http://www.mse.mtu.edu/~drjohn/my4150/
Unfortunately - no numbers on toughness.
 
What are the drawbacks of using composites for flywheel?
I don't really know how to manufacture a flywheel. Is the manufacturing of flywheel using composite difficult?
 
"When the tensile strength of a flywheel is exceeded the flywheel will shatter, releasing all of its stored energy at once; this is commonly referred to as "flywheel explosion" since wheel fragments can reach kinetic energy comparable to that of a cannon shell. Consequently, traditional flywheel systems require strong containment vessels as a safety precaution, which increases the total mass of the device. Fortunately, composite materials tend to disintegrate quickly once broken, and so instead of large chunks of high-velocity shrapnel one simply gets a containment vessel filled with red-hot sand (still, many customers of modern flywheel power storage systems prefer to have them embedded in the ground to halt any material that might escape the containment vessel). Gulia's tape flywheels did not require a heavy container and reportedly could be rewound and reused after a tape fracture."

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flywheel_energy_storage

Is it true and why?
 

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