Ricci Decomposition: Questions & Answers

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The discussion revolves around the Ricci Decomposition, specifically its purpose, components, and interpretations within the context of general relativity. Participants explore theoretical aspects and seek clarification on specific terms and concepts related to the decomposition of the Riemann tensor.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to understand the purpose of breaking down the Ricci Decomposition and asks specific questions about its components.
  • Another participant clarifies that the Ricci Decomposition pertains to the Riemann tensor, not the Ricci tensor, and explains the significance of the scalar part, semi-traceless part, and Weyl tensor.
  • The physical interpretation of the decomposition is discussed, noting that the Ricci tensor relates to local non-gravitational stress-energy, while the Weyl tensor relates to curvature that is not captured by the Ricci tensor.
  • There is a suggestion that the first two components do not have special names beyond their definitions as curvature scalar and Ricci tensor.
  • Clarification is provided on the term "semi-traceless," indicating it is derived from the metric and the traceless Ricci tensor.
  • A participant expresses appreciation for the explanations and indicates a willingness to continue the discussion in a new thread.
  • Another participant suggests additional resources, including a book on gravity and group theory, as potentially helpful for understanding the topic.

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Participants generally agree on the definitions and components of the Ricci Decomposition, but there are nuances in interpretation and terminology that remain open for further discussion. No consensus is reached on the naming of the first two components or the broader implications of the decomposition.

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Some assumptions about the physical interpretations and mathematical definitions are not fully explored, and the discussion does not resolve the complexities surrounding the Ricci and Riemann tensors.

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Hey folks,

I am trying to piece together what the point of the Ricci Decomposition is.

Wikipedia explains what it is but not really why.

I understand that we can break down the Ricci Tensor into:

1) Scalar part
2) Semi-traceless
3) Traceless (Weyl Tensor)


I have the following questions:

a) WHY break it down.
b) Do the first 2 have a special name in that the 3rd is called the Weyl Tensor.
c) What does semi traceless mean?


As always, thanks in advance.


:smile:
 
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robousy,

The Ricci decompostion is actually a way of breaking up the Riemann tensor (not the Ricci tensor) into three simpler pieces. The first piece, the scalar part, is so called because it is built out of the curvature scalar and the metric. The second piece, the semi-traceless piece, is built out of the metric and the traceless Ricci tensor (hence the name semi-traceless). The third piece is what is left over and is called the Weyl tensor. This final piece is completely traceless.

What is the physical interpretation? Well, the curvature scalar and Ricci tensor are both contractions of the Riemann tensor and so they contain less information than the full Riemann tensor (low dimensions are exceptions: you need only the curvature scalar in 2d, and only the Ricci tensor in 3d). You know from the Einstein field equations that the stress energy tensor is coupled to the Einstein tensor which is made of only the metric, the curvature scalar, and the Ricci tensor. The Ricci tensor therefore measures the local non-gravitational stress-energy. In particular, the vacuum field equations are simply [tex]R_{a b} = 0[/tex], but this doesn't mean the curvature is zero. Why? The freedom provided by the Weyl tensor! Gravitational wave solutions are vacuum solutions with vanishing Ricci tensor but non-vanishing Weyl tensor and therefore non-vanishing curvature.

But here I am droning on so let me answer your questions:
a) We break it down because the different pieces have different physical meanings. In particular, the Ricci tensor part is associated with changes in volume while the Weyl tensor is associated with changes in shape (loosely). Also, the Ricci tensor comes directly from the field equations, so it contains only the "here and now" if you will so perhaps it makes sense to treat it differently.

b) I don't think the first two have a special name. They are after all equivalent to the curvature scalar and Ricci tensor respectively.

c) Semi traceless means it is built from the metric (which is not traceless) and the traceless Ricci tensor which is.

Hope this helps! You can read a little more about here: http://www.polarhome.com:763/~rafimoor/english/GRE2.htm I'll see what else I can dig up for you.
 
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Hi Physics Money,

Thanks for your explantion...and please feel free to drone! Its all useful to me - a GR newb.

Oh, I found your link really useful to, especially the parallel transport explanation.

I have another question actually but I'll make a new thread as the subject is different. Hope to hear from you there too!

Richard
 
I hope the chapter on gravity in Ramond's book [1] and some thorough knowledge of group theory will clear things up for you.

Daniel.

P.S.If you've done your share of tensor operators in QM, then it's a useful analogy.

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[1]P.Ramond "Field Theory: A Modern Primer", 2.ed.
 

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