Where did I go wrong in proving the identity for div(F x G)?

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The discussion revolves around proving the vector calculus identity for the divergence of the cross product of two vector fields, specifically div(F x G) = G.(curlF) - F.curl(G). Participants are exploring the steps involved in the proof and identifying where errors may have occurred in the original poster's approach.

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  • The original poster attempts to compute the divergence of the cross product and expresses confusion over obtaining an incorrect relationship between the left and right sides of the identity. Participants question the correctness of specific expressions and suggest corrections to the original calculations.

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Some participants have provided corrections to the original poster's expressions, particularly regarding the calculation of G.(curlF). There is ongoing exploration of how to manipulate the resulting expressions to align with the left-hand side of the equation. Multiple interpretations of the steps involved are being discussed.

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Participants are working under the assumption that knowledge of vector calculus identities and the product rule is necessary for this discussion. The original poster expresses uncertainty about intermediate steps in the proof process.

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I tried to prove

div(F x G) = G.(curlF) - F.curl(G)

and ended up getting the right hand side equaling twice the left hand side, with no idea where i'd gone wrong :(

can someone show me how to prove it correctly?

and, if you have time.. see if you can pick where i went wrong?

this is how I attempted to do it:

(I'm going to stop with the bolding for vectors because it's too annoying)

F x G = (f2g3 - f3g2)i + (f3g1 - f1g3)j + (f1g2 - f2g1)k

div(F x G) = d/dx(f2g3 - f3g2) + d/dy(f3g1 - f1g3) + d/dz(f1g2 - f2g1)

curlF = (df3/dy - df2/dz)i + (df1/dz - df3/dx)j + (df2/dx - df1/dy)k

G.(curlF) = d/dx(f2g3 - f3g2) + d/dy(f3g1 - g3f1) + d/dz(f1g2 - f2g1)

i can see I'm already in trouble here... this is the left hand side already...

then I used the same method for F.(curlG) which gets me the negative of G.(curlF) , so that when I take it from G.(curlF) I get twice the left hand side...

Any help will be greatly appreciated
 
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Your expression for G.(curlF) is just wrong. Correct expression x derivative term is g3(df2/dx)-g2(df3/dx). When you work out the rest you will see the original formula is correct.
 
...still stuck :(

I understand what you corrected me on, but once I've worked out G.(curlF) - F.(curlG) I can't see what you could do to it to make it the left hand side of the equation.

G.(curlF) - F.(curlG) = g1(df3/dy - df2/dz) + g2(df1/dz - df3/dx) + g3(df2/dx - df1/dy) - f1(dg3/dy - dg2/dz) - f2(dg1/dz - dg3/dx) - f3(dg2/dx - dg1/dy)

right?

then where do I go from there?
 
Let's take the d/dx term. You have
-g2df3/dx+g3df2/dx+f2dg3/dx-f3dg2/dx, which is
d(f2g3)/dx-d(f3g2)dx, which is what you want.
 
ah... thanks a bunch...

so..

g3df2/dx + f2dg3/dx = d(f2g3)dx

Is that just something I should've known? or are there some intermediate steps there?
 
it's the product rule. traditionally learning that d(uv)/dx = vdu/dx+udv/dx comes well before you get onto div and curl.
 

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