Is Greenland's Ice Cap Actually Thickening?

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The discussion centers around the recent findings regarding the thickness of Greenland's ice cap, exploring the implications of these findings in the context of climate change, global warming, and the behavior of polar ice. Participants examine various perspectives on the state of the ice cap, its potential for thickening, and the broader environmental impacts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference a study indicating that Greenland's ice cap has thickened slightly due to increased snowfall at high altitudes, despite concerns about global warming.
  • Others argue that while the ice cap may be thickening, glaciers at sea level are retreating rapidly, suggesting a complex interaction between different ice masses.
  • A participant shares anecdotal evidence from Inuit communities about the loss of access to hunting grounds due to melting ice, highlighting the local impacts of climate change.
  • One viewpoint suggests that nature has a self-regulating mechanism that could lead to a cooling effect following significant ice melt, potentially balancing temperatures over time.
  • Another participant elaborates on the idea that extreme evaporation from warming waters could lead to increased cloud cover, which might shield the Earth from solar radiation and result in colder winters.
  • There is speculation about the long-term effects of melting ice, including potential geographical transformations and the formation of new glaciers due to changing weather patterns.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the reliability of sources discussing glacier thickening and seek more literature on natural climate changes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; multiple competing views remain regarding the implications of the ice cap's thickness, the effects of climate change, and the potential for nature to self-correct.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on anecdotal evidence and speculative reasoning, with participants expressing uncertainty about the reliability of certain sources and the complexity of climate interactions.

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http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s1485573.htm
Greenland's icecap has thickened slightly in recent years despite concerns that it is thawing out due to global warming, says an international team of scientists.

A team led by Professor Ola Johannessen, at the Nansen Environmental and Remote Sensing Center in Norway, report their findings online ahead of print publication in the journal Science.

The 3,000-metre thick Greenland icecap is a key concern in debates about climate change because a total melt would raise world sea levels by about 7 metres. And a runaway thaw might slow the Gulf Stream that keeps the North Atlantic region warm.

Glaciers at sea level have been retreating fast because of a warming climate, making many other scientists believe the entire icecap is thinning.

But satellite measurements showed that more snowfall is falling and thickening the icecap, especially at high altitudes, say Johannessen and team.
 
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good for greenland, but as they say, the rest of the Ice is melting.

and go ask any Inuit about the polar ice, they will tell you that in the last 30 years, they have lost the ability to access more and more of their hunting grounds because of the melting ice.
 
I really think nature can repair itself better then that. Even if all of the polar ice melts, all of the energy that it takes to melt it would be like a big heat sponge and thus lowering temperatures, thus balancing out causing rather cold wnters to follow. Or, suppose that these global warming theories are true, and it continue to have rising temperatures, then the temperatures of all that water would rise, thus causing extreme amounts of evaporation. Then the amounts of clouds would increase and provide a perfect sheild against ultraviolet and infrared rays, thus lowering the temperature, causeing snow to the north and repeating the process over again.
 
http://www.iceagenow.com/Growing_Glaciers.htm

here is another link referring to the thickening of galciers however i don't know if this is a reliable site, i hvae been searching for more literature on this subject and natural climate changes as well.
 
WhiteWolf said:
I really think nature can repair itself better then that. Even if all of the polar ice melts, all of the energy that it takes to melt it would be like a big heat sponge and thus lowering temperatures, thus balancing out causing rather cold wnters to follow. Or, suppose that these global warming theories are true, and it continue to have rising temperatures, then the temperatures of all that water would rise, thus causing extreme amounts of evaporation. Then the amounts of clouds would increase and provide a perfect sheild against ultraviolet and infrared rays, thus lowering the temperature, causeing snow to the north and repeating the process over again.


i like the way you think, you also passed this idea up, but you were right along the same lines. If all the ice on Earth melts, and Earth goes back through a cooling process again. First the water levels will rise a couple hundred feet or so, and when it begins to get extremely cold, the water at the north and south poles will start to freeze at high levels (height) leaving the liquid water around it lower and lower, and freezing thicker and thicker as the water level dropped, this process would last a couple hundred years, until it was thick enough to balance out the weather again, and the ice caps would also be back to normal thickness. We'd only be lacking glaciers. But who knows depending on how it effects the weather, new glaciers may be formed in valleys beacuse of intense weather patterns 'caused by the high amounts of evaporation falling to the ground in the form of rain and snow in the initial heat blast. Really, it'd transform Earths whole geography. Let us not forget that water expands in heat as well, the warmer the Earth gets, the more ice that melts, and the more volume water takes up, not just because of melting, but because of the temperature of the water.
 
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