Zero-Point Energy: Calculating the Minimum Value

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The discussion revolves around calculating the minimum value of energy for a particle in a potential described by a mass-spring system. The problem involves concepts from quantum mechanics and classical mechanics, particularly focusing on zero-point energy and the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand how to minimize the energy expression and questions which variable to differentiate with respect to. Other participants suggest relating momentum and position through the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and substituting into the energy expression to find a minimum.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between momentum and position, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take for minimizing the energy.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the definitions of energy types (total energy, kinetic energy, potential energy) and their roles in the context of the problem. There is also a focus on the assumptions made regarding the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.

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"Consider a particle with mass m moving in a potential U=1/2kx^2, as in a mass-spring system. The total energy of the particle is E=p^2/(2m)+1/2kx^2. Assume that p and x are approximately related by the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal, px approximately equals h.
a) Calculate the minimum possible value of the energy E, and the value of x that gives this this minimum E. This lowest possible energy, which is not zero, is called the zero-point energy.
b) For the x calculated in part (a), what is the ratio of kinetic to potential energy of the particle?" -University Physics, by Young and Freedman pg. 1517

I do not know how to answer this question.
For (a), I assume that you need to take the derivative of E=p^2/(2m)+1/2kx^2 to minimize it, but in respect to what variable?
For (b), since E=U+KE, the ratio must be (E-1/2kx^2)/(1/2kx^2), but I am unsure of what that would be without part (a).

Thanks for your help!
 
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The problem tells you to assume that p and x are approximately related in a certain specific way by the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. Try solving this relation for p in terms in x and plugging into the Hamiltonian. Can you find a minimum of the resulting expression?

This is a standard way to estimate the ground state energy of a bound system.
 
What is the "Hamiltonian" that you refer to?
Thanks for your help.
 
Sorry, the Hamiltonian is just the energy.
 
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What energy (E, KE, or U)?
 
Come on now, AQF, work with me here. I can't just tell you answer. What energy are you trying to minimize?
 

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