Is there a blackhole in the centre of EVERY galaxy?

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The discussion revolves around the presence of black holes at the centers of galaxies, exploring whether every galaxy, regardless of its Hubble Type, contains a black hole. Participants examine various forms of evidence for black holes, including rotation curves and X-ray emissions, while questioning the existence of black holes in certain galaxy types.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that evidence from rotation curves indicates a black hole at the center of the Milky Way and M31, but question if this applies to all galaxies.
  • One participant notes that while bulgeless galaxies like M33 may not have sufficient stellar velocity dispersions to contain supermassive black holes, this remains a conjecture due to limited survey data.
  • Another participant mentions that galaxies without an apparent nucleus, such as certain irregular galaxies, may not have black holes at their centers.
  • There is a discussion about the types of evidence for black holes, including rotation rates and emissions from accretion disks, with some arguing that mathematical predictions also support their existence.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the existence of black holes in smaller or irregular galaxies, suggesting that research is ongoing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that large galaxies likely harbor supermassive black holes, but there is no consensus on whether all galaxies possess them, particularly smaller or irregular types. Multiple competing views remain regarding the evidence and implications of black holes in different galaxy types.

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The discussion highlights limitations in current understanding, including the need for more extensive surveys to confirm the presence of black holes in various galaxy types and the challenge of ruling out alternative explanations for observed phenomena.

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I've been reading some books on Galactic Structures and Galactic Evolutions, evidence from rotation curves of stars near the centre of our Milky Way and also M31 suggest that there is a black hole in the centre. But is this true for all galaxies regardless of their Hubble Type? is there a galaxy that does not have a black hole at its centre?? What type of evidences beside rotation curves suggest that there is a black hole?? X-ray emissions from its accretio disk?
 
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It looks very much as if every galaxy with a central bulge has a black hole. But bulgeless galaxies such as M33 do not appear to have sufficient central stellar velocity dispersions to contain central supermassive black holes. Until enough nearby galaxies have been surveyed, however, that'll have to remain a tentative conjecture - the sample size isn't big enough at present to make any definite statements.

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Originally posted by CoolGrey6
I've been reading some books on Galactic Structures and Galactic Evolutions, evidence from rotation curves of stars near the centre of our Milky Way and also M31 suggest that there is a black hole in the centre. But is this true for all galaxies regardless of their Hubble Type? is there a galaxy that does not have a black hole at its centre?? What type of evidences beside rotation curves suggest that there is a black hole?? X-ray emissions from its accretio disk?
This Hubble Space Telescope press release contains a good summary:
http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/newsdesk/archive/releases/2000/22/

The difficulty with *proving* the existence of a black hole is that all other possible explanations for what are very difficult observations must be discounted first. X-rays from accretion disks may provide hints of a black hole. At the centre of the Milky Way, the motion of individual stars can be used to estimate the mass of the object around which they are moving.

Galaxies without an apparent nucleus, such as several types of irregulars, may not have a BH core.
 
Welcome to Physics Forums, CoolGrey6!

Originally posted by CoolGrey6
But is this true for all galaxies regardless of their Hubble Type?

It's a relatively (excuse the pun) new finding that large galaxies like our own harbor supermassive black holes in their center. It seems to be true that all such galaxies are likely to have this (research is still underway though).

However, there are many kinds & sizes of galaxies. Elliptical or irregular galaxies, particularly small ones, probably do not have supermassive black holes at their center.

What type of evidences beside rotation curves suggest that there is a black hole?? X-ray emissions from its accretio disk? [/B]

Rotation rates (of stuff nearby the black hole) and emissions from accretion disks are pretty much it for direct evidence. Math & the laws of physics provide indirect evidence. In other words, the equations predict black holes should exist and there are some observed phenomena (such as stuff being immensely accelerated what looks like emptiness) which are only explained (or are easiest to explain) by black holes.
 
From ESA/INTEGRAL

Here's a nice one-page summary about detection of black holes, including super-massive ones at the centres of galaxies, from the European Space Agency:
http://www.esa.int/export/esaCP/SEMPUMXLDMD_FeatureWeek_0.html

Quote: " How do astronomers detect black holes if they are unable to see them? Well, to be precise, astronomers do not detect black holes. But they do detect the phenomena that can only be explained by the existence nearby of objects that match the description of black holes!"
 

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