Block and Wedge (all frictionless)

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a block on a frictionless wedge, where the system is released from rest. Participants are exploring the dynamics of the block and wedge, specifically focusing on deriving statements of relative accelerations and applying constraints based on relative velocities.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are discussing the derivation of relative accelerations from relative velocities and questioning the meaning of "applying the proper constraint." There is also a focus on analyzing free body diagrams (FBDs) for both the block and the wedge.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the problem's requirements and the correct interpretation of the statements regarding relative motion. Some guidance has been offered regarding the analysis of forces acting on the block and wedge, but no consensus has been reached on the derivation process.

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Participants are working under the assumption that the system is frictionless and are attempting to navigate the complexities of relative motion in this context. There is uncertainty regarding the specific wording of the question and its implications for the analysis.

RoKe
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I searched for this problem and could not find satisfactory information or information that applied to my specific concerns.

The wedge of mass M is resting on a horizontal surface. A block of mass m is placed on the wedge and the whole system is released from rest. There is no friction anywhere in the system.

I have the FBDs complete. I have the Newtonian equations of motion in both the x and y components (relative to the table, for an inertial frame) for the wedge and the block.

The question asks, use the concept of relative velocities to derive a statement of relative accelerations, then use that to apply the proper constraint.

Then, the acceleration of the wedge (relative to the table) and the block (relative to the table and the wedge) must be found. I think I can do this once I get the first part done.

Basically the wording of the first part of the question is confusing and I'm not sure where to progress after getting the motion equations.

Thanks in advance.
 
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RoKe said:
The question asks, use the concept of relative velocities to derive a statement of relative accelerations, then use that to apply the proper constraint.
This is the exact wording of the question? I'm not sure what it means by "apply the proper constraint."

What did you get for your statement of relative accelerations?
 
The statement of relative accelerations is a_(block/table) = a_(block/wedge) + a_(wedge/table). Was I supposed to derive this from a similar statement of relative velocity? I don't know what it wants me to do.
 
I don't think that's what they want.

Go back to your FBD. THere should be one for the block and one for the wedge. The block has two forces on it, the wedge has three. The wedge has a net force that will be horizontal. The block has a net force that is angled down the incline (but not the same angle at incline),
 

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