Coefficient of lift for a wing is CL

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The discussion revolves around the coefficient of lift (CL) for wings and airfoils, specifically how to relate the lift of an airfoil section to the total lift of a wing. Participants explore the mathematical relationships and equations involved in calculating lift, particularly in the context of different wing shapes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the coefficient of lift for a wing is CL, while for an airfoil it is cl.
  • Another participant suggests that the lift can be calculated over the entire span if there is no variation in the chord along the span.
  • A participant questions whether the total lift for the wing (L) can be obtained by multiplying the lift for the airfoil (L') by the wingspan, assuming a constant chord.
  • There is a request for clarification on the definitions of L and L'.
  • One participant proposes that integrating the lift equation over the span will yield the total lift of the wing and mentions the need to determine limits for the integral.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about solving for the limits of the integral without resorting to trial and error, suggesting that this question might be better suited for a math forum.
  • A participant introduces a specific equation for lift related to elliptical wings and inquires about the approach for trapezoidal wings, referencing a lift equation for an airfoil section.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the method for calculating total lift from airfoil lift, and multiple approaches and uncertainties are present regarding the integration and application to different wing shapes.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions of L and L', the assumptions about chord uniformity, and the specific equations applicable to different wing geometries.

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OK, so the coefficient of lift for a wing is CL.

For an airfoil, it is cl.

How do I go from Lift for an airfoil to Lift for the whole wing? Is it just multiplying by the wingspan?

Thanks!
 
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You use the CL to calculate the force of lift. The lift would be over the entire span if there is no variation in the cord along the entire span.
 
I understand that part, but my book has L for the wing, and L' for the airfoil.

So, assuming that chord is constant, would L'*Span = L?
 
Show the definition of [tex]L[/tex] and [tex]L'[/tex]..?
 
I think I figured it out.

I found an equation that relates the L' to the position on the wing. By integrating that over the span, I ought to have the total lift of the wing. I can then use that to find my CL variable.

Now is there a way to solve for the limits if I know what the integral needs to equal? Other than guess and check?

Obviously the lower limit would be the negative of the upper limit.

BTW, the wing is continuous over the whole craft, the fuselage does not interfere with the wing at all.
 
physicsCU said:
Now is there a way to solve for the limits if I know what the integral needs to equal? Other than guess and check?
Obviously the lower limit would be the negative of the upper limit.
Not that I can think of off the top of my head. I would probably do trial and error. Then again, integration was always my bane. You might want to pose that question in the math forums.
 
Sounds good.

Oh, the equation I found applies only to elliptical wings. What would I do if the wing was a trapezoid?

L' = L'o*(.5*(b1+b2)*h)?

That equation being lift for an airfoil section any distance from the root.

If no one knows, not a big deal, i have a meeting with profs today.
 

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