Why is there a difference in atomic and ionic radii for Ca and Zn?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the differences in atomic and ionic radii of calcium (Ca) and zinc (Zn), specifically why the difference in atomic radii is greater than that in ionic radii. Participants explore the implications of electron configurations and nuclear charge on these measurements.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the atomic radii of Ca and Zn and questions why the difference in atomic radii (.43 angstroms) is greater than that in ionic radii (.25 angstroms).
  • Another participant suggests that both ions have a positive charge of 2, indicating they have lost two electrons, which contributes to their smaller size.
  • Discussion includes the electron configurations of both elements, with one participant providing detailed configurations for Ca and Zn and their respective ions.
  • A participant proposes that the larger nuclear charge of Zn compared to Ca results in a stronger pull on the electrons, potentially explaining the differences in radii.
  • One participant expresses appreciation for the logical reasoning provided regarding the differences in radii, indicating prior confusion from other sources.
  • Another participant speculates that the answer may lie in the suborbitals and their shapes, along with the number of protons affecting electron attraction to the nucleus.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present various viewpoints and hypotheses regarding the differences in atomic and ionic radii, but no consensus is reached on a definitive explanation. The discussion remains exploratory with multiple competing ideas.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the importance of electron configurations and nuclear charge but do not resolve the implications of these factors on the observed differences in radii.

siriuswishbear
hey guys!
I was just wondering if anyone could help me out a bit on this.
I have the following radii (in angstroms...not that it really matters)
Ca: 1.74 Ca 2+: .99
Zn: 1.31 Zn 2+: .74
Does anyone have any idea why the difference between the atomic radii of the two elements is greater than the ionic radii of the two ions? (atomic difference is .43 and the ionic diff is .25)
I've asked a bunch of people (friends in my class, parents, parents of friends etc.) and no one has any ideas
Can you help?
thanks!
lar
 
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That is not so difficult, since both ions have a positive charge of 2, they lost two electrons and thus are smaller.

I'd have to know the electron configuration to comment why the loss of two electrons for one results in a different size difference than the other.
 
Ca= 1s^2 2s^2 2p^6 3s^2 3p^6 4s^2
Ca 2+= 1s^2 2s^2 2p^6 3s^2 3p^6 (aka [Ar])
Zn= 1s^2 2s^2 2p^6 3s^2 3p^6 4s^2 3d^10
Zn 2+= 1s^2 2s^2 2p^6 3s^2 3p^6 4s^2 3d^8
Does that help?
 
20Ca: [Ar] 4s2
30Zn: [Ar] 4s24d10

I guess the best explanation in the [tex]\inline\Delta[/tex] radius would be that Zn has a larger nuclear charge than Ca, it thus pulls the electrons in its shells stronger inward.
 
Thanks Monique! I've been trying to find the answer for a couple of days, you're the first person that's come up w/ a logical reason (i got a lot of "just cuz..." and "i have no idea, go ask ___"
Thanks!
 
Originally posted by siriuswishbear
Ca= 1s^2 2s^2 2p^6 3s^2 3p^6 4s^2
Ca 2+= 1s^2 2s^2 2p^6 3s^2 3p^6 (aka [Ar])
Zn= 1s^2 2s^2 2p^6 3s^2 3p^6 4s^2 3d^10
Zn 2+= 1s^2 2s^2 2p^6 3s^2 3p^6 4s^2 3d^8
Does that help?
Thanks sirius :) I was thinking that the answer would lie in the suborbitals, since they have a different shape and all, but it also depends on the number of protons that pull the electrons towards the nucleus.
 

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