Why would white phosphorus burn flesh bu not clothes?

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The discussion centers around the effects of white phosphorus (WP) on human flesh versus clothing, exploring the chemical reactions involved and the physical properties of materials. Participants examine the mechanisms by which WP burns skin but seemingly does not have the same effect on textiles, with a focus on chemical interactions and biological processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that when white phosphorus burns, it forms phosphorus pentoxide, which absorbs water from tissues and converts to phosphoric acid, causing burns on skin.
  • Others argue that organic fibers in textiles are refractory and may not be affected by the heat released during the reaction, suggesting that WP is primarily an incendiary.
  • A participant notes personal experience with phosphoric acid damaging clothing, questioning why WP would not similarly affect textiles.
  • Another participant suggests that the acid produced from WP would primarily react with organic matter in living tissues rather than clothing, due to the higher water content in tissues compared to the atmosphere.
  • One participant expresses frustration with the discussion, implying that some contributions lack scientific rigor or clarity.

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Participants express differing views on the chemical interactions of white phosphorus and its effects on flesh versus clothing. There is no consensus on why clothing is not burned in the same manner as skin, and the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing explanations.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific chemical reactions and personal experiences, but the discussion lacks clarity on the conditions under which these reactions occur and the assumptions made about the properties of materials involved.

Skyhunter
I have seen this claim in the Italian documentary about the use of WP in Fallujah. However I don't understand how this is possible.

Can anyone here explain this?
 
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When white phosphorus burns:
P4 + 5 O2 → 2 P2O5

The formed phosphorus pentoxide absorbs water from your tissues and quickly converts into phosphoric acid which then burns your skin:

P2O5 + 3 H2O → 2 H3PO4
 
cronxeh said:
When white phosphorus burns:
P4 + 5 O2 → 2 P2O5
The formed phosphorus pentoxide absorbs water from your tissues and quickly converts into phosphoric acid which then burns your skin:
P2O5 + 3 H2O → 2 H3PO4
Thank you very much. That explains a lot.
 
--- and, organic fibers in common textiles being refractory are unaffected by any of the heat released in such reactions --- WP is an incendiary --- of course it's going to burn the garments. Now, before I call the mods to lock this thread, what other processes are likely to make week old corpses look like week old corpses --- particularly in that part of the world? Can you say "putrefaction?"
 
cronxeh said:
When white phosphorus burns:
P4 + 5 O2 → 2 P2O5
The formed phosphorus pentoxide absorbs water from your tissues and quickly converts into phosphoric acid which then burns your skin:
P2O5 + 3 H2O → 2 H3PO4
That still wouldn't explain why it doesn't burn clothes. I've had 40% phosphoric acid spilled on my lab coat, and trust me, that stuff completely destroys clothes.
P2O5 also pulls water from the atmosphere, so it can turn into acid without even touching your hand.
 
I've also used phosphoric acid and it was very clear that you did NOT want to get that stuff on your clothes.
 
ShawnD said:
That still wouldn't explain why it doesn't burn clothes. I've had 40% phosphoric acid spilled on my lab coat, and trust me, that stuff completely destroys clothes.
P2O5 also pulls water from the atmosphere, so it can turn into acid without even touching your hand.

If it takes place in vivo then there is no point for acid to react with clothing - the acid will attack organic matter and react with the tissues since the P2O5 would pull water from your tissues and not from the clothing. the amount of water in the atmosphere is negligeble compared to that found in the lungs and tissues - therefore the burning P4 as well as P2O5 will react violently in vivo - burning the skin all the way down to the bone from outside and the lungs and trachea, bronchi, and alveoli from the inside. Dont forget the fact that there is a rate of positive air movement due to breathing at about 12 a minute, so if you are exposed to the cloud it will get inhaled and exposed to your skin the most as compared to your clothe. I can't come up with a counter argument as to why it would even burn the clothe in the first place as there is simply so much tissue to react with!
 
Okay, sport, I told you to keep the "make it up as you go along" routine in the "whine cellar" where this question came up.

You want something simple? Here's something simple: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Phosphorus

Take your confabulations elsewhere.
 

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