Why Are Electric Dipole Selection Rules Confusing on the GRE?

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The discussion revolves around electric dipole selection rules in the context of a GRE Physics exam question, specifically focusing on the emission of photons by excited atoms and the role of various quantum numbers.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the contributions of spin, angular momentum (j), and principal quantum number (n) to photon emission. Questions arise regarding the relevance of these factors in the context of selection rules.

Discussion Status

Some participants express confusion over the problem's complexity and the adequacy of standard physics texts in addressing the topic. There is acknowledgment of the difficulty of certain GRE problems, with suggestions that the problem may be overly esoteric.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that spin does not contribute to energy in the same way as j and n, and there is mention of the potential influence of external magnetic fields on these considerations.

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Hi, I have a question on selection rules for electric dipole transitions. It has to do with a GRE Physics exam question that's confusing a number of students at grephysics.net ... if any of the quantum guru's here would like to help, please check it out at http://grephysics.yosunism.com/disp.php?yload=prob&serial=1&prob=92

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The problem has to do with an excited atom that emits a photon. Spin doesn't contribute to the energy and so cannot provide a reason for a photon to be emitted. Intuitively, spin just doesn't get you going in the direction you need to go.

This wouldn't be the case if you were in a strong magnetic field, by the way.

Carl
 
what about delta j and delta n?

CarlB said:
The problem has to do with an excited atom that emits a photon. Spin doesn't contribute to the energy and so cannot provide a reason for a photon to be emitted. Intuitively, spin just doesn't get you going in the direction you need to go.
This wouldn't be the case if you were in a strong magnetic field, by the way.
Carl
 
Since j and n do contribute to the energy (unlike spin).

The reality is that there are always going to be some problems on the GRE that you're just not going to get right because the authors were too esoteric in their problem writing. There's probably some text out there that stresses this particular analysis.

The sad fact is that there are many analyses of basic physics in standard textbooks that are completely wrong. This doesn't stop them from asking you questions about it. But in this case, I think the answer is correct, but the problem is unnaturally difficult.

Carl
 

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