Calculating the Mass of the Earth Using Orbital Data

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The problem involves calculating the mass of the Earth using the orbital data of the moon, specifically its radius and orbital period. The context is centered around gravitational forces and orbital mechanics.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between tangential velocity and angular velocity, questioning how to transition from one form of the equation to another. There is exploration of the simplification process leading to the mass of the Earth, with specific focus on the variables involved.

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Some participants have provided insights into the use of angular velocity versus tangential velocity, while others have clarified the relationship between variables in the equations. There is an acknowledgment of differing interpretations of the notation used in the book, and one participant indicates they have resolved their confusion regarding the calculations.

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Participants note the importance of ensuring that time is measured in seconds when calculating speed, and there is a mention of a typo regarding the use of angular velocity symbols. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the mathematical relationships without reaching a final solution.

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Okay, problem reads :

The moon orbits the Earth in an approximately circular path of radius 3.8 X 10^8 m. It takes about 27 days to complete one orbit. What is the mass of the Earth as obtained from these data?

I started with

[tex]\frac {mv^2}{r} = G \frac {Mm}{r^2}[/tex]

I did some simplification all the way to

[tex]\frac {v^2r}{G} = M[/tex]

From here, the book then re-writes it as [tex]\frac {\Omega^2r^3}{G} = M[/tex]. How did they do that?
 
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the book is using "angular velocity" instead of "tangential velocity."
[tex]\omega[/tex] is measured in radians per second. The tangential speed of a point at the outer radius is simply [tex]v_T = \omega r[/tex].

A more direct way to get orbital speed is to recognize speed as distance over time. The distance here is the circumference of the circle, and the time is the period of revolution. So, speed is [tex]2 \pi r /T[/tex]. remember, time must be in seconds.
 
Okay, so instead of v^2 you replace it as [tex]\Omega^2[/tex]. How does r go from r to [tex]r^3[/tex] ?
 
No, do not just replace v with [tex]\omega[/tex]. YOu are not even given the angular speed. Just replace v with [tex]2 \pi r /T[/tex]. you have all of these.

And anyway it does not replace v with [tex]\Omega[/tex] , it replaces v with [tex]\Omega r[/tex] both of which get squared. The squared r joins with the r already there.

Does your book really use [tex]\Omega[/tex] and not [tex]\omega[/tex]?
 
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No, do not just replace v with [tex]\omega[/tex]. YOu are not even given the angular speed. Just replace v with [tex]2 \pi r /T[/tex]. you have all of these.
And anyway it does not replace v with [tex]\Omega[/tex] , it replaces v with [tex]\Omega r[/tex] both of which get squared. The squared r joins with the r already there.
Does your book really use [tex]\Omega[/tex] and not [tex]\omega[/tex]?


That was a typo on my part, it should be [tex]\omega[/tex]
 
Okay, I worked it out and finally got it. I now see what you were saying, in terms of looking at it as orbital speed. That's what made it link. Thank you! I have an exam today and that was from my example problems sheet :smile:
 
Good luck.

(I need some more text).
Good luck again.
 

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