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As I said before, my previous #198 is not a suggestion that Ma's eq. (1) and (2) are the same, but rather a mathematical proof...

I don't offhand, but I think he still has a website at the university where he was a professor, that has links to all his papers. The...

You are so right! Correcting now...

This is almost like deja vu all over again. Admittedly we've been trading posts rapidly in the last while. I answered your identical...

Well done! Thanks, very helpful to me. I may be wrong, but you seem to be a fan of Ballentine (nothing wrong with that if you happen...

"Orthodox QM" itself is a term for which there might well be at least as many meanings as there are quantum physicists. :wink: I'll...

Always humorous when someone quotes me, and proceeds to not address a single thing quoted. Oh and instead of addressing my point...

1. Agree that when a Bohmian says "collapse", they often mean "FAPP collapse" or your "effective collapse". 2. That's perfect.

I have provided you with a mathematical proof that Ma's eq. (1) and (2) are the same. If you don't understand we can help you, but stop...

Initially: Photons 1 and 2 are maximally entangled in their prepared state ##\ket{\psi^-}_{12}##, and 3 and 4 similarly...

We all agree on that. My question is whether it's really important.

Q: Why is photon 2 presented in a Bell state with photon 3 (such as your ##\ket{\psi^+}_{23}## above), and not in that same identical...

How many times do I need to say: [2] presents an entangled state of photons 2 and 3. Therefore it cannot be the initial state...

Ma's physics is right. Your reading is completely wrong and ignores obvious physics. There is no connection of any kind between...

Great point! Thank you... I believe that Bohmian perspective (initial subject of this thread, I think :smile: ) says/implies a...