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    How do atoms build thoughts and emotions?

    You know https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Peter_Fischer ? He will love to tell you the story of Niels Bohr urging physicists to venture into biology, Max Dellbrück taking up the challenge, Erwin Schrödinger popularizing Dellbrück‘s model in his book „What is life“, which later motivated...
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    How do atoms build thoughts and emotions?

    This is a matter of language, not of "different aspects of the same coin". In the German language, what PeroK wants to talk about is called "Selbstbewustsein". You can try to translate that word into English as "self-consciousness". But then you get different connotations: In fact, the plain...
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    How do atoms build thoughts and emotions?

    You are talking about „subjective sensation“, but PeroK wants to talk about The word „consciousness“ certainly can be interpreted in both ways. What PeroK writes only makes sense for his interpretation of the word „consciousness“: Not sure whether discussing with PeroK in this thread makes...
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    How do atoms build thoughts and emotions?

    At least Carlo Rovelli on that website does not claim consciousness to be an "object", "thing", or "brain state": In fact, most often he uses the word "process". Even so he uses "events" only once, the way he uses it shows that it is an acceptable description for him. He also uses "physical...
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    How do atoms build thoughts and emotions?

    Well, consciousness is not an object, not a thing, and not one brain state. But whether physicists really claim that remains unclear to me. That is why I had that disagreement with Motore: My problem with the last statement is that the continuous evolution of a state is something that can be...
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    How do atoms build thoughts and emotions?

    The specific argument I gave why the passive observer model seems wrong doesn't work for a determinstic computer: Of course, I could try to find other arguments, which still work for a determinsitic computer. But if those arguments were totally unrelated to why I don't believe in the passive...
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    How do atoms build thoughts and emotions?

    What I wrote was: You are right that "classical" physical dynamics can be reduced "too much" to the physical state and its evolution in time. And that I therefore find it unplausible that my subjective experiences would arise in that way. Maybe a computer also has subjective experiences. But...
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    How do atoms build thoughts and emotions?

    Looks like "state" and "process" are not the only words that have different meanings for us. For me, an AI updates its internal state discretely, not continuously. And I also don't understand in which sense the internal state of an AI could be "flowing" for you. For me, the hormone...
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    How do atoms build thoughts and emotions?

    Actually, this seems to be related to me looking at a computer screen. If I just look at a normal object and let my eyes adapt a bit, I do get a quasi-static experience. I think when I was younger, before I stared at computer screens day and night, this overly dynamic less quasi-static...
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    How do atoms build thoughts and emotions?

    What you can measure is a physical state. My own personal subjective experiences are not such quasi-static states, but more dynamical processes. Even when I perceive color, where I personally would prefer a more static experience. (Not sure whether this is related to me being color blind.) From...
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    How do atoms build thoughts and emotions?

    One reason why it seems to be wrong is that we do talk about our subjective experiences, and what we "objectively" do say about them doesn't seem to contradict what we "subjectively" did experience before. If what our brain thinks about our experiences and what we really experience were really...
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    How do atoms build thoughts and emotions?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineal_gland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Descartes#Physiology_and_psychology
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    How do atoms build thoughts and emotions?

    Is this any different from „Descartes‘ dualism is wrong“: That could explain why physicalism only became prominent after Descartes: The position that he is wrong became relevant because many people continued to believe in his dualism even after Descartes’ concrete predictions had been falsified.
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    How do atoms build thoughts and emotions?

    The basic challenge is to explain why Descartes‘ dualism is wrong. Just like the nonlocality of Newton‘ theory of gravity is wrong, as Newton himself was fully aware. The harder challenge is to explain why the passive observer model of consciousness is also wrong. In Newton‘s time, we were...
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    Graduate Časlav Brukner, Richard Healey, and von Weizsäcker on the wave function

    If I remember correctly, the views of Rudolf Haag on locality are not too widespread, but not without merit. [8] Fundamental irreversibility and the concept of events (1990) [9] On the Sharpness of Localization of Individual Events in Space and Time (2013) Since Englert refers to him, his...