Things that are getting tiresome to see in scifi (whichever medium)

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"Something located in the constellation X."

You people have any pet peeves in this genre?
 
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sbrothy said:
"Something located in the constellation X."

You people have any pet peeves in this genre?

The podcast "Realms Unknown" has a "Trope on a rope" section, where they discuss tropes in scify and fantasy.
 
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Sorry, what is wrong with, "Something located in the constellation X."? That is a valid statement that locates something on the sky.
 
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sbrothy said:
"Something located in the constellation X."

You people have any pet peeves in this genre?
Well, maybe aliens as being portrayed as far superior to humans. Would be nice if some sci-fi took place on an alien world that has yet to make FTL travel work and have similar tech to us. Maybe they have electric supersonic airliners, some AI, and photonic computers, but they could have the same struggles as humans do. Only drawback is that the aliens would not be able to contact humans, unless they live close to Earth or future humans visit them.

TLDR: Movies and books need to stop making aliens look like the bad guys or saviors or humanity.
 
AlexB23 said:
Well, maybe aliens as being portrayed as far superior to humans. Would be nice if some sci-fi took place on an alien world that has yet to make FTL travel work and have similar tech to us.
The alien still on their home place and never been off it, but if human go to them or visit with or contact them? The aliens inferior to either us or our technology.

The alien communicate or visit humans on earth, and the human never yet gone to them? The aliens are superior to either us or our technology.
 
phyzguy said:
Sorry, what is wrong with, "Something located in the constellation X."? That is a valid statement that locates something on the sky.
A “constellation” as seen from Earth is a bunch of stars which seem to make a pattern. They may not even be close. One star may be lightyears from another. It’s a real bad measure for localizing anything at all. You dont see that?

EDIT: Sorry if my tone sounded arrogant. It’s the language barrierer.
 
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symbolipoint said:
The alien still on their home place and never been off it, but if human go to them or visit with or contact them? The aliens inferior to either us or our technology.

The alien communicate or visit humans on earth, and the human never yet gone to them? The aliens are superior to either us or our technology.
That is true. But maybe they lack one tech that they struggle with. And also, it would be cool to see a genre of sci-fi where aliens never contact humans, but the story is set on how the aliens go about their lives or solve crises. For instance, humans have mostly solved the ozone hole by the 2000s. What if aliens did not solve their ozone hole issue, cos their fertilizers and cars emit NOx? They would probably need to wear UV suits and have covered sidewalks. Cars would maybe be driveless and drop people off at their locations. Most activity would happen during the twilight. So, ET may have solved CO2 emissions, but they struggle with NOx.

Another thing: Imagine the alien version of WWII was fought with cloud seeding. That would be an interesting take on ethics of weather control.

In simple terms, sci-fi could explore ethical dilemmas by using isolated alien civilizations with similar tech to ours to push the plot forward.
 
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A.T. said:
The podcast "Realms Unknown" has a "Trope on a rope" section, where they discuss topes in scify and fantasy.
You meant of course “tropes” right?
 
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sbrothy said:
A “constellation” as seen from Earth is a bunch of stars which seem to make a pattern. They may not even be close. One star may be lightyears from another. It’s a real bad measure for localizing anything at all. You dont see that?

EDIT: Sorry if my tone sounded arrogant. It’s the language barrierer.
It's perfectly valid for localizing something "on the sky", as I said. Obviously it doesn't define where it is in the third dimension, i.e. radially. That doesn't mean it isn't useful. If I say an oil well is located "in Texas", that is still useful information even though it doesn't say how deep it is.
 
phyzguy said:
It's perfectly valid for localizing something "on the sky", as I said. Obviously it doesn't define where it is in the third dimension, i.e. radially. That doesn't mean it isn't useful. If I say an oil well is located "in Texas", that is still useful information even though it doesn't say how deep it is.
Well, I see your point but if it isn’t defined in three dimensions I’m not sure it makes sense unless we’re talking about “in constellation X as seen from Earth” and the last bit of info is seldom provided. I’m Sorry but I dont buy it.
 
Having not read through the comments, I thought you might like to know about these cool sci-fi movies:
- Clara ( Patrick Adams and his wife star in an indie movie about love and finding an exoplanet)
- Cosmos, where three members of a team discover a UFO
-Man from Earth, where a man lives for 14000 years, never aging, and moves on when people begin to suspect him, written by a Star Trek writer.
 
jedishrfu said:
Having not read through the comments, I thought you might like to know about these cool sci-fi movies:
- Clara ( Patrick Adams and his wife star in an indie movie about love and finding an exoplanet)
- Cosmos, where three members of a team discover a UFO
-Man from Earth, where a man lives for 14000 years, never aging, and moves on when people begin to suspect him, written by a Star Trek writer.
Thanks! That’s ultimately my goal with all my Recreativo postal (Sorry my wordbook decided to go latino and I went with it). Finding new entertainment!
 
sbrothy said:
Thanks! That’s ultimately my goal with all my Recreativo postal (Sorry my wordbook decided to go latino and I went with it). Finding new entertainment!
The person who never dies is also one of Neil Gaiman’s in his “Morpheus” universe. That man is a guldmine of stories.
 
symbolipoint said:
The alien still on their home place and never been off it, but if human go to them or visit with or contact them? The aliens inferior to either us or our technology.

The alien communicate or visit humans on earth, and the human never yet gone to them? The aliens are superior to either us or our technology.
As history has shown us. The party that show up on the others doorstep is gonn be the superior one. The conquistadores and countless other explorers. Those that arrive will have superior tech.
 
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Still, I’m surprised we got this much discussion out out my (and @AlexB23 ‘s) scifi pet peeves. What’s gonna happen when you all post ypurs? :smile:
 
Floaty rock spaceship design.

The aliens are just humans with a twist.
 
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Mayhem said:
Floaty rock spaceship design.

The aliens are just humans with a twist.
Hah yeah, or forehead ridges :smile:
 
Mayhem said:
The aliens are just humans with a twist.
I think this is specific to writing for the screen, and mosty motivated by production costs. The other cheap alternative is pure-energy-aliens represented by some light effects.
 
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A.T. said:
I think this is specific to writing for the screen, and mosty motivated by production costs. The other cheap alternative is pure-energy-aliens represented by some light effects.
Arrival got it right, although they still did the floaty rock thing.
 
The Man from Earth was written by Jerome Bixby, the author of the Star Trek episode Requium for Methusalah.

A story of Flint, a genius who lives on a planet full of Ritalin, an ingredient Dr McCoy needs for a life saving drug.
 
sbrothy said:
A “constellation” as seen from Earth is a bunch of stars which seem to make a pattern. They may not even be close. One star may be lightyears from another. It’s a real bad measure for localizing anything at all. You dont see that?

This always comes down to the audience and story telling.
You and I know that a constellation is only meaningful from Earth, and that it does not define radial distance.

But, in terms of story-telling, how much time should they spend on accuracy, as opposed to keeping the story moving? Is radial distance necessary for the plot?

Before you answer that: let me suggest an experiment: find a doctor-friend or healthcare friend and watch a medical or forensics show on TV with them. Did you notice that, when they swabbed the petri dish for bacteria, they only swabbed one, and not a dozen, for repeatability? No?

Did you notice, in "The Pit", they don't even wear face masks. Like, ever?

Well your medical friend did, and it's killing him.

In CSI, Gil Grissom is God's gift to forensic science, and yet:
- it took him a half an episode to identify a Siamese fighting fish
- he described someone falling off a building as: "well, terminal velocity is 9.8 metres per second, so he should have landed ... there." (Damn near threw the remote at the TV for that one...)


Movies and shows are written for the broader audience, and technical accuracy eats up screen time better left for plot. (books are better for accuracy).

It's just something you have to accept - just one more layer of suspension of disbelief - when watching anything techncal.
 
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sbrothy said:
Those that arrive will have superior tech.
Or the advanced civilization they stumble upon can't imagine taking the risks or making the personal sacrifices needed to make such a voyage, even with their current technology.
 
A.T. said:
I think this is specific to writing for the screen, and mosty motivated by production costs. The other cheap alternative is pure-energy-aliens represented by some light effects.
That brief generalization reminds some of 2001: A Space Odyssey .
 
symbolipoint said:
That brief generalization reminds some of 2001: A Space Odyssey .
Not showing the aliens is also a clever move to make a movie timeless, regardless of how the idea of an alien changes.
 
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