What Are the Reactions to the Absurd Political Ad: 2030?

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The discussion centers around a controversial ad perceived as both humorous and racially charged, critiquing its production quality and acting while acknowledging its ambition to instill fear. Participants express concerns about the implications of China's rising economic power, suggesting it could lead to a shift in global dominance. The ad is criticized for its mixed messages, portraying socialism as detrimental to the U.S. while highlighting a communist state as a potential superpower. There is a debate on the effectiveness of fear-based messaging and its appeal to xenophobic sentiments. Overall, the conversation reflects deep anxieties about geopolitical shifts and societal changes.
  • #51
rootX said:
Sure, put some of sources here then. Also, I didn't ask you if there is a loss of arable land. Rather I asked:




I really don't care about pf or GD standards or what Phil requires but if you want to make an opinionated statement like China is going into trouble for this and that, you should better have something to backup with. It is your not my job to do your homework (google for you to find how true are your statements).

I agree with you, but from my own experience trying to get the same from others, I've often had no luck. Reciprocity is a beast, but then, you're not the offender.

http://www.newsgd.com/specials/npc&cppcc 2006/npccppccsessionsnews/200603080056.htm

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-12/26/content_6348004.htm

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6VB0-4CMJCP5-3&_user=10&_coverDate=07%2F31%2F2005&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=gateway&_origin=gateway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1695301342&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=cb20adf8a4345d93dddcb61f69731b3b&searchtype=a

http://www.worldwatch.org/node/3912


etc...

If you think that a huge and growing population coupled with a loss of arable land is anything BUT trouble, I'd be intersted to hear how that works. Overpopulation in China... I don't think is an issue requiring constant citation.
 
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The ad claims that the U.S. declined in around 2012 we were not capitalistic enough, and thus we were overtaken by China.

Very strange that the people producing the ad seem unaware that China is a Communist country.
 
  • #53
ApplePion said:
The ad claims that the U.S. declined in around 2012 we were not capitalistic enough, and thus we were overtaken by China.

Very strange that the people producing the ad seem unaware that China is a Communist country.

...Yet they managed to plaster the big 'Mao' sign... really it's just a pastiche of xenophobia.

I also have to say... who works for whom anyway? If the situation reverses or simply reaches more parity, who's to say the process would leave China some wicked and cackling group?

This ad would be purely comical if good beef-eating NASCAR dads and Soccer moms didn't wet themselves at this kind of thing, and then you have the horrophiliacs...
 
  • #54
nismaratwork said:
I agree with you, but from my own experience trying to get the same from others, I've often had no luck. Reciprocity is a beast, but then, you're not the offender.

http://www.newsgd.com/specials/npc&cppcc 2006/npccppccsessionsnews/200603080056.htm

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-12/26/content_6348004.htm

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6VB0-4CMJCP5-3&_user=10&_coverDate=07%2F31%2F2005&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=gateway&_origin=gateway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1695301342&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=cb20adf8a4345d93dddcb61f69731b3b&searchtype=a

http://www.worldwatch.org/node/3912


etc...

If you think that a huge and growing population coupled with a loss of arable land is anything BUT trouble, I'd be intersted to hear how that works. Overpopulation in China... I don't think is an issue requiring constant citation.

What's preventing China from importing food like http://www.ers.usda.gov/Data/foodimports/"? All your sources said China is facing food security concern. While it is a valid concern but I don't find it serious.
 
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  • #55
rootX said:
What's preventing China from importing food like http://www.ers.usda.gov/Data/foodimports/"? All your sources said China is facing food security concern. While it is a valid concern but I don't find it serious.

Nothing, and that's just what we do, support their dwindling food supply, which was my original point!

Remember, we depend on their money to drive our economy, they are coming to depend on us to EAT. I don't see a country we could starve out into chaos by 2030 as a significant threat, and as militaries, "march on their stomachs" it adds another dimension to the issue.

In short, China and the USA have more to gain from a profitable relationship, allowing China to continue its rapid social, cultural, economic change (often in the right direction) than we do from fear of being somehow owned by China.

We can't afford to collapse our economy, and they can't afford to starve.
 
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  • #56
rootX said:
Sure it is not well thought out but it says "civilizations fail when they turn their back on the principles that made them great". It is arguing that US is going against its principles not that government/stimulus are bad.
Agreed completely. If you follow the content of the ad very carefully, there is no contradiction in it, and I did not say there was one. However, what is more important that the most literal interpretation is the most common interpretation (i.e., what most people will take home as the moral of the story). In this case, I think it is unlikely that nearly everyone is going to go to bed without noticing a seeming disconnect within a story where the US is suffering from socialism while China is thriving from it. You don't want an ad to leave you with doubts about your message, you want it to speak clearly.

That's why I characterized it as a "mixed message", not a contradiction or fallacy.
 
  • #57
I see a deeper flaw:

What principles make a civilization GREAT? What is a great civilization? Is it a great thing that China is unified under central rule? Is it a great thing that we have in the USA?

Just what are these great things, the mystical principles? Again... China is a history of warring states and brutal internal conquest.

...and so is the USA.

Still, did that make us great? Does the right to pursue LLH make us great? Maybe it's just the capacity of any given major power to delude itself about the inevitable that's so great...

Really, if you guys see something in this ad, it's because you have it already... the ad offers nothing. It's meant to evoke fear and nostalgia; fear of something that is bull, an nostalgia for something that never was.
 
  • #58
nismaratwork said:
I see a deeper flaw:

As do I...

This should be in philosophy talk.
 
  • #59
OmCheeto said:
As do I...

This should be in philosophy talk.

Really? I wouldn't be able to start a Phil thread if you paid me... if you can, go for it!

I really thought this was just one of those things that everyone would laugh at. Surprise... jokes on me. :smile:
 

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