How do I combine relative errors in particle energy measurements?

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The discussion revolves around the challenge of combining relative errors in particle energy measurements, specifically addressing how to account for errors arising from the location of the spectrogram center and the energy resolution of the measurement system. The scope includes technical reasoning and mathematical considerations related to error propagation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about combining two relative errors, noting that one error is due to the spectrogram center location and the other due to energy resolution, and they are dependent on each other.
  • Another participant suggests that if the errors were independent, the total error could be calculated using the square root of the sum of the squares of the individual errors.
  • A different participant counters that the errors are not independent, as the error from the center location affects the intrinsic resolution error.
  • Another response proposes estimating the covariance between the two errors and suggests that the relationship might involve conditional probabilities, indicating uncertainty about the nature of their dependence.
  • One participant expresses frustration and confusion, indicating a lack of literature on the specific problem they are facing.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on how to combine the errors, with some arguing for independence and others asserting dependence. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the appropriate method for combining the relative errors.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about the relationship between the errors, the lack of clarity on the nature of their dependence, and the absence of established literature on the specific problem.

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Hi,

I'm getting confused in combining relative errors.
I have a relative error in evaluating the energy of some particle which is due to a wrong location of the spectrogram centre. this errors affects the energy and the relative error due to the energy resolution of the system.
Thus I have two relative errors: the one due to the centre location and the one due to the resolution which are actually dependet.

How I have to combine both errors? is it correct to sum them?
 
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So long as two errors are independent, the total error is square root of sum of the squares of errors.

<X + Y> = <X> + <Y>
<(X+Y)²> = <X²> + <Y²> + 2<XY>

Square of the error is the variance, which is defined Var(X) = <X²>-<X>²

Var(X+Y) = Var(X) + Var(Y) + 2Cov(X,Y)

Where covariance, Cov(X,Y) = <XY>-<X><Y> and is zero for independent X and Y.
 
You are absolutely right, but the thing is that I don't think the errors are not indipendent: the error in the energy due to the wrong centre location affects the error due to the intrinsic resolution of the system...
 
You need to figure out how the two are related and estimate covariance. Assume P(X) is normal. Then figure out what you can say about P(Y|X). Sounds from your description like you might expect it to be a normal distribution whose width depends on X. I'm not entirely sure, though. It's not clear why you think the two are related. Maybe you can explain it in more detail.

At any rate, once you have P(X) and P(Y|X), get covariance, and use it with formulae above.
 
I don't know... maybe it is me making the thing too complicate... I'm just confused and there is no literature about my problem...
 

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