Second nonlinear DE for exciton diffusion

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The discussion revolves around the nonlinear differential equation related to exciton diffusion in organic optoelectronics, specifically the equation y'' + a*y + b*y^2 = 0. Participants explore potential solutions and methods for solving this equation, including numerical approaches and transformations.

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  • elfine inquires about a general solution to the equation y'' + a*y + b*y^2 = 0.
  • One participant shares a Mathematica output for the equation, indicating that the solution is complex and involves elliptic functions.
  • elfine expresses difficulty in understanding the provided Mathematica solution and seeks further assistance.
  • Another participant suggests a method for solving related elliptic equations, mentioning the transformation to a standard form involving Jacobi elliptic functions.
  • elfine modifies the differential equation to a simpler form and discusses a substitution that leads to a hyperbolic function solution.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on a general solution, and multiple approaches and methods are proposed, indicating ongoing exploration and uncertainty in the discussion.

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Dear Everyone,

I am working on a physics problem of exciton diffusion involved in organic optoelectronics.

It is in the form of

y''+a*y+b*y^2=0.

Is there a general solution to this equation?

Thanks!

elfine
 
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I don't know how to handsolve the equations, but I sent it through Mathematica, and you don't want to see the answer. Although I posted it anyway.

Code:
in = DSolve[y''[x] + a*y[x] + b*y[x]^2 == 0, y[x], x]
out = Solve[(4 EllipticF[
      ArcSin[\[Sqrt]((Root[-3 C[1] + 3 a #1^2 + 2 b #1^3 &, 3] - 
            y[x])/(-Root[-3 C[1] + 3 a #1^2 + 2 b #1^3 &, 2] + 
            Root[-3 C[1] + 3 a #1^2 + 2 b #1^3 &, 
             3]))], (Root[-3 C[1] + 3 a #1^2 + 2 b #1^3 &, 2] - 
         Root[-3 C[1] + 3 a #1^2 + 2 b #1^3 &, 
          3])/(Root[-3 C[1] + 3 a #1^2 + 2 b #1^3 &, 1] - 
         Root[-3 C[1] + 3 a #1^2 + 2 b #1^3 &, 3])]^2 (Root[-3 C[1] + 
          3 a #1^2 + 2 b #1^3 &, 2] - 
       Root[-3 C[1] + 3 a #1^2 + 2 b #1^3 &, 
        3]) (-Root[-3 C[1] + 3 a #1^2 + 2 b #1^3 &, 1] + 
       y[x]) (-Root[-3 C[1] + 3 a #1^2 + 2 b #1^3 &, 2] + 
       y[x]) (-Root[-3 C[1] + 3 a #1^2 + 2 b #1^3 &, 3] + 
       y[x]))/((-Root[-3 C[1] + 3 a #1^2 + 2 b #1^3 &, 1] + 
       Root[-3 C[1] + 3 a #1^2 + 2 b #1^3 &, 
        3]) (-Root[-3 C[1] + 3 a #1^2 + 2 b #1^3 &, 2] + 
       Root[-3 C[1] + 3 a #1^2 + 2 b #1^3 &, 3]) (C[1] - a y[x]^2 - 
       2/3 b y[x]^3)) == (x + C[2])^2, y[x]]

where Solve solves an equation for y[x] and Root finds the roots of an equation.
 
Thank your reply.

The attached picture is a given method for solving this kind equation, but it is uncompleted.

For I am not good at math and I can't get a good solution from matlab, could anyone help me on this?

Best wishes!

elfine
 

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elfine said:
Dear Everyone,

I am working on a physics problem of exciton diffusion involved in organic optoelectronics.

It is in the form of

y''+a*y+b*y^2=0.

Is there a general solution to this equation?

Thanks!

elfine

There is suppose to be a general solution to the general elliptic equation:

y''=A+By+Cy^2+Dy^3

multiplying by y', integrating, and adjusting the constants we obtain the form:

\left(y')^2=a+by+cy^2+dy^3+ey^4

and by a suitable change of variable z=z(y) we can reduce it to the standard form:

\left(\frac{dz}{dx}\right)^2=(1-z^2)(1-k^2 z^2)

in which z(x)=\text{sn}(x,k) where sn is the Jacobi elliptic sine function. We then invert the expression z=z(y) to obtain the solution in y. However, the exact details of that procedure is a little unclear to me.
 
Hi jackmell,
Thanks a lot! Your suggestion is very valuable to me.
I adjust my DE to
\left(y')^2=a+cy^2+dy^3
with the boundary of
\left y(\infty)=0
and the simplified equation is
\left(y')^2=cy^2+dy^3
By subtitute
\left t=\sqrt{c+dy}
I finally get
\left \frac{adt}{t^2-b}=dx
And its primitive function is a Hyperbolic function.
elfine
 

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