4th order homogeneous linear ODE with constant coefficients

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the general solution to a fourth order homogeneous linear ordinary differential equation (ODE) with constant coefficients, specifically the equation y'''' - y'' = 0. Additionally, there are inquiries regarding a different fourth order ODE with variable coefficients, EI(X)Ø'''(X) + Km(x)Ø(x) = 0.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a proposed solution for the ODE y'''' - y'' = 0, suggesting y(x) = a + b*x + c*e^-x + d*e^x, where a, b, c, and d are constants, and expresses uncertainty about its correctness.
  • Another participant agrees with the proposed solution and confirms the auxiliary equation's roots are correct, noting that the problem is straightforward since it is set equal to zero.
  • A third participant suggests an alternative approach by substituting u = y'', leading to the simpler equation u'' - u = 0, which they imply is known to have a solution.
  • Several participants request assistance with a different equation involving variable coefficients, EI(X)Ø'''(X) + Km(x)Ø(x) = 0, expressing gratitude for any help provided.
  • One participant mentions the potential use of separation of variables but acknowledges the resulting equations will still involve variable coefficients, complicating the solution process.
  • Another participant suggests using Sturm-Liouville theory and possibly a computer to solve the variable coefficient problem.
  • There are multiple requests for a specific paper related to solving ordinary linear differential equations with variable coefficients, with one participant expressing difficulty in obtaining it due to financial constraints.
  • A moderator intervenes to remind participants to create new threads for unrelated questions and provides a link to purchase the paper, while also cautioning against copyright infringement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is some agreement on the solution to the first ODE, but the discussion regarding the second ODE with variable coefficients remains unresolved, with participants expressing differing opinions on how to approach it.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the challenges associated with variable coefficients in ODEs, including the limitations of proposed methods and the need for further exploration of solutions.

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Can someone explain to to me how to find the general solution of the fourth order ODE

y''''-y''=0

Right now I have

y(x)=a+b*x+c*e^-x+d*e^x

where a,b,c and d are constants.

Not sure if this is correct just wanted to double check.
 
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mappleby15 said:
Can someone explain to to me how to find the general solution of the fourth order ODE

y''''-y''=0

Right now I have

y(x)=a+b*x+c*e^-x+d*e^x

where a,b,c and d are constants.

Not sure if this is correct just wanted to double check.

Seems right to me at first glance. Your r values for the aux. eq. are correct and that's about all the problem comes down to since it is set equal to 0 and not a constant or another function which would lead to undetermined coefficients.
 
Yes, it's correct. Another way you can check is to note that if you set u = y'', you get

u'' - u = 0,

an equation which you pressumably know the solution to. It's then just a matter of integrating twice.
 


please. anyone can help me to get the general solution of the equation:
EI(X)Ø'''(X)+Km(x)Ø(x)=0
where: k= constant
EI(X) and m(x) are variable coefficients
and i will be very grateful for him...
 


please. anyone can help me to get the general solution of the equation:
EI(X)Ø'''(X)+Km(x)Ø(x)=0
where: k= constant
EI(X) and m(x) are variable coefficients
and i will be very grateful for him...
 
my colleages...why i didnot answer about my question?
 
sorry, why i didnot find any answer about my question??
 
this may help you. Its something i made for the 1d 4th order wave eqn... i think you will find pg 7 handy.
 

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thank you very much Nick Bruno...But the problem is that, how can find the solution of the equation when EI and m are variable with x-axis and not constants...i think that the equation can be solved by separation of variables but the resulted equations will be on the form of ODEs with variable coefficients which i am looking for their solutions, and i will be thankful for anybody can help me in this subject...
 
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looks like you may need to use sturm-liouville and use a computer to solve your problem.
 
  • #11
Hi colleages, can anyone help me to get this paper which is entitled;"solution of ordinary linear differential equations with variable coefficients by impulsive admittances". this paper in the quarterly journal of mechanics and applied mathematics, volume 6, no.1, pp.122-127. by W.J. Duncan, 1953...please help me to get this paper and i will be very grateful for this...
 
  • #12
Moderator's note: please ask new questions by creating and posting in a new thread, rather than posting in existing threads. New threads can be created by clicking the "New Topic" [PLAIN]https://www.physicsforums.com/Prime/buttons/newthread.gif button.

You can purchase the paper here:
http://qjmam.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/6/1/122

If you don't want to spend 32 $US, I would look for the journal at the math department library of a local university.
 
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  • #13
my colleage...i havenot the way to buy this paper, because, i havenot the prepay cards...
please, if you can to get this paper,send it to me..
 
  • #14
Omarxx84, you are coming awfully close to being banned from this forum.

First, you "hijacked" someone else's thread to ask a completely unrelated question which is very rude. (It's not that hard to click on the "new topic" button on the main menu.)

Second, you are asking people to send you a copy of a copy-righted paper, which is a crime.
 

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