A. P. French "Matter and Radiation: The Inertia of Energy"

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The discussion centers on A. P. French's book "Special Relativity," specifically the section titled "Matter and Radiation: The Inertia of Energy." Participants analyze equation 1-7, which postulates that the center of mass of an isolated system remains unchanged despite the movement of mass and radiation. The equation is derived from the principle that light possesses momentum, leading to the conclusion that if the center of mass does not move, the relationship between the masses and their respective distances can be expressed mathematically. The discussion emphasizes that equation 1-7 is an assumption rather than a theorem, allowing for subsequent equations to follow through algebraic manipulation.

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I am reading A. P. French's book: "Special Relativity". Currently I am focused on the section: "Matter and Radiation: The Inertia of Energy."

Under the heading: "Matter and Radiation: The Inertia of Energy", French writes the following:

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In the above text by Young we read the following:

" ... ... But this being an isolated system, we are reluctant to believe that the center of mass in the box plus its contents have moved. We therefore postulate that the radiation has carried with it the equivalent of a mass m , such that

mL + M(delta)x = 0 ... ... ... 1-7

... ... "


Can someone please explain how Young formulates equation 1-7 ... how does he arrive at this equation?

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What specifically is not clear? Once you get the idea that light has momentum and that the centre of mass should not move, the kinematics are quite straightforward, are they not?
 
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1-7 is just requiring that the center of mass doesn't move. A mass ##m## has moved one distance and a mass ##M## has moved another, but ##\sum m_ix_i## has not changed.

Note that this argument is slightly handwaving because the light pulse moves ##L-\Delta x##, so he's quietly neglected a term like ##m\Delta x## as being very small.
 
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PeroK said:
What specifically is not clear? Once you get the idea that light has momentum and that the centre of mass should not move, the kinematics are quite straightforward, are they not?

Well, I was having some difficulty proving 1-7 ... BUT ... I note that Young writes that 1-7 is a postulate or assumption ... so we do not have to prove it ... and ... if you assume 1-7 to be true then 1-8 follows by simple algebra ...

Peter
 
Ibix said:
1-7 is just requiring that the center of mass doesn't move. A mass ##m## has moved one distance and a mass ##M## has moved another, but ##\sum m_ix_i## has not changed.

Note that this argument is slightly handwaving because the light pulse moves ##L-\Delta x##, so he's quietly neglected a term like ##m\Delta x## as being very small.

I note that Young writes that 1-7 is a postulate or assumption ... so we do not have to prove it ... and ... if you assume 1-7 to be true then 1-8 follows by simple algebra ...

Thanks again for your help ...

Peter
 

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