I A. P. French "Matter and Radiation: The Inertia of Energy"

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A. P. French's section "Matter and Radiation: The Inertia of Energy" discusses the implications of light's momentum on the center of mass in an isolated system. Equation 1-7 is presented as a postulate, asserting that the center of mass remains stationary despite the movement of mass m and mass M. The discussion emphasizes that understanding light's momentum simplifies the kinematics involved. Some participants note that the argument may overlook minor terms, but the focus remains on the assumption that leads to subsequent equations. The conversation highlights the foundational nature of these principles in the context of special relativity.
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I am reading A. P. French's book: "Special Relativity". Currently I am focused on the section: "Matter and Radiation: The Inertia of Energy."

Under the heading: "Matter and Radiation: The Inertia of Energy", French writes the following:

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In the above text by Young we read the following:

" ... ... But this being an isolated system, we are reluctant to believe that the center of mass in the box plus its contents have moved. We therefore postulate that the radiation has carried with it the equivalent of a mass m , such that

mL + M(delta)x = 0 ... ... ... 1-7

... ... "


Can someone please explain how Young formulates equation 1-7 ... how does he arrive at this equation?

Peter
 

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What specifically is not clear? Once you get the idea that light has momentum and that the centre of mass should not move, the kinematics are quite straightforward, are they not?
 
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1-7 is just requiring that the center of mass doesn't move. A mass ##m## has moved one distance and a mass ##M## has moved another, but ##\sum m_ix_i## has not changed.

Note that this argument is slightly handwaving because the light pulse moves ##L-\Delta x##, so he's quietly neglected a term like ##m\Delta x## as being very small.
 
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PeroK said:
What specifically is not clear? Once you get the idea that light has momentum and that the centre of mass should not move, the kinematics are quite straightforward, are they not?

Well, I was having some difficulty proving 1-7 ... BUT ... I note that Young writes that 1-7 is a postulate or assumption ... so we do not have to prove it ... and ... if you assume 1-7 to be true then 1-8 follows by simple algebra ...

Peter
 
Ibix said:
1-7 is just requiring that the center of mass doesn't move. A mass ##m## has moved one distance and a mass ##M## has moved another, but ##\sum m_ix_i## has not changed.

Note that this argument is slightly handwaving because the light pulse moves ##L-\Delta x##, so he's quietly neglected a term like ##m\Delta x## as being very small.

I note that Young writes that 1-7 is a postulate or assumption ... so we do not have to prove it ... and ... if you assume 1-7 to be true then 1-8 follows by simple algebra ...

Thanks again for your help ...

Peter
 
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