Abelian X-Groups and Noetherian (Abelian) X-Groups

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The discussion centers around the treatment of Noetherian modules and the concept of X-groups as presented in Martin Isaacs' book "Algebra - A Graduate Course." Participants explore the standardization of terminology and definitions related to X-groups and their application in module theory, particularly in the context of the Jordan-Hölder theorem.

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  • One participant questions the standardization of Isaacs' terminology and approach to X-groups and Noetherian modules, seeking clarification on whether these concepts are widely accepted in the field.
  • Another participant suggests that while Isaacs' approach is not standard for module theory, it is a recognized method for discussing the Jordan-Hölder theorem, implying a distinction in the application of the concepts.
  • Specific examples of X-groups are provided, including cases where the operator set X is empty, contains a single element, or is the group itself, illustrating how these definitions can lead to abelian groups or standard group operations.
  • A later reply affirms the quality of Isaacs' book, indicating a positive reception of his non-standard approach, though it does not address the broader acceptance of the terminology.

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Participants express differing views on the standardization of Isaacs' terminology and approach. While some acknowledge the utility of his method in specific contexts, there is no consensus on whether it is a standard way to introduce module theory.

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The discussion highlights the potential limitations in the acceptance of terminology and definitions, as well as the context-dependent nature of the concepts being discussed. There is an acknowledgment of the need for clarity regarding the operator set and its implications in various mathematical settings.

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I was having a quick look at Isaacs : Algebra - A Graduate Course and was interested in his approach to Noetherian modules. I wonder though how standard is his treatment and his terminology. Is this an accepted way to study module theory and is his term X-Group fairly standard (glimpsing at other books it does not seem to be!) and, further, if the structure he is talking about is a standard item of study, is his terminology "X-Group" standard? If not, what is the usual terminology.

A bit of information on Isaacs treatment of X-Groups follows:

In Chapter 10: Operator Groups and Unique Decompositions, on page 129 (see attachment) Isaacs defines an X-Group as follows:

0.1 DEFINITION. Let X be an arbitrary (possibly empty) set and Let G be a group. We say that G is an X-group (or group with operator set X) provided that for each x \in X and g \in G, there is defined an element g^x \in G such that if g, h \in G then {(gh)}^x = g^xh^x

I am not quite sure what the "operator set" is, but from what I can determine the notation g^x refers to the conjugate of g with respect to x (this is defined on page 20 - see attachment)

In Chapter 10: Module Theory without Rings, Isaacs defines abelian X-groups and uses them to develop module theory and in particular Noetherian and Artinian X-groups.

Regarding a Noetherian (abelian) X-group, the definition (Isaacs page 146) is as follows:

DEFINITION. Let M be an abelian X-group and consider the poset of all X-groups ordered by the inclusion \supseteq. We say M is Noetherian if this poset satisfies the ACC (ascending chain condition)

My question is - is this a standard and accepted way to introduce module theory and the theory of Noetherian and Artinian modules and rings.

Further, can someone give a couple of simple and explicit examples of X-groups in which the sets X and G are spelled out and some example operations are shown.

Peter
 

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It's not really a standard way to do module theory, but it certainly is a standard way of doing the Jordan-Holder theorem. If we would not do it that way, then we would need different theorems for different occasions.

Specific examples:

If ##G## is any group and ##X=\emptyset##, then an X-group is just the same as a group.

If ##G## is any group and if ##X=\{2\}## (or another number), then we get groups where ##(gh)^2 = g^2 h^2##. These are abelian groups.

If ##G## is any group and ##X=G##, then we can set ##g^x = xgx^{-1}##, the conjugation.

If ##M## is a vector space over ##\mathbb{R}##, then take ##X=\mathbb{R}##. The usual scalar multiplication then gives ##g^x##.

The notion of X-groups is used most often in settings about dimensions, or series of subgroups.
 
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Do you know Martin Isaacs book in which he uses X-Groups for the Jordan-Holder Theorem and as a way to introduce modules.

How do you rate his book and approach (even through it is non-standard in terms of introducing module theory.

Peter
 
I know Isaacs book, and I think it is an excellent book. So if you like it, then you should keep doing it.
 

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