Accused norway killer may land luxurious prison

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the contrasting approaches to criminal justice in Norway compared to the United States, particularly in the context of the conditions in Norwegian prisons and the treatment of criminals. Participants explore the implications of these differences on society and crime prevention.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express a perception that Norwegian prisons offer more humane conditions, questioning the nature of maximum security and suggesting that they would not mind living there.
  • There is a suggestion that the Norwegian approach focuses on addressing the crime rather than punishing the criminal, with some attributing this to a cultural difference in attitudes towards crime and punishment.
  • Participants note that Norway does not experience the same level of gang violence as the USA, leading to different societal responses to crime.
  • One participant raises the idea of a "chicken-egg problem" regarding the relationship between prison conditions and societal violence.
  • Philosophical discussions about the nature of evil and practical solutions to crime are mentioned, with varying criteria for what constitutes a practical and effective approach to criminal justice.
  • There are references to the death penalty and historical context regarding executions in Norway, with some participants expressing a desire to revisit this topic humorously.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the effectiveness or morality of the differing approaches to criminal justice between Norway and the USA. Multiple competing views remain regarding the implications of these differences.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying criteria for evaluating the effectiveness of prison systems, which may depend on personal beliefs about justice, rehabilitation, and societal impact. The discussion includes references to cultural attitudes that may influence these systems.

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This is a maximum security prison? I wouldn't mind living there.

Masi writes that the cells are equipped "with an en-suite bathroom, a flat-screen TV and various
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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/accused-norway-killer-may-land-luxurious-prison-173329040.html

I'm having trouble copying from the site so just read and look at the pictures.

Look at the pictures and captions.

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/inside-the-world-s-most-humane-prison-1311794847-slideshow/#crsl=
 
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Somebody has to explain the rift between how Norway treats crimes and how the USA treats them.

An uninformed guess is that people in Norway don't hate the criminal but the crime itself. Thus they don't focus on making the criminals life like hell but making sure that the same thing doesn't happen again.
 
Willowz said:
Somebody has to explain the rift between how Norway treats crimes and how the USA treats them.

An uninformed guess is that people in Norway don't hate the criminal but the crime itself. Thus they don't focus on making the criminals life like hell but making sure that the same thing doesn't happen again.
Norway doesn't have the gang violence we do. You should watch some of the American prison documentaries on Nat Geo. Those people are scary.
 
Evo said:
Norway doesn't have the gang violence we do. You should watch some of the American prison documentaries on Nat Geo. Those people are scary.
This was supposedly one of the 'arguments' for Breviks actions. To stop gangs and mafias from sprouting in Norway.
 
Evo said:
Norway doesn't have the gang violence we do. You should watch some of the American prison documentaries on Nat Geo. Those people are scary.

so is this a chicken-egg problem?
 
Other than "useless" philosophical arguments about what is evil and how to deal with evil, if it is "practical and working"* I don't have any problems with it.

*different people will have different criteria for what's practical and working. Personally, I have following list of criteria:
1) Financial burden of holding the prisoners and sending them back to the society, holding them indefinitely, or giving them death penalties
2) Amount of positive productivity to the society gained from ex-prisoners
 
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Oh, back to the death penalty then. Wheres that damn guillotine!
 
Willowz said:
Oh, back to the death penalty then. Wheres that damn guillotine!
The axe felled last time in 1876, when our last execution in peacetime took place (of a well-known tramp who killed and robbed a farmer who offered him a ride in his cart).
 

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